This is a discussion on 9mm not good enough??? within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I agree it sounds a bit fishy but still not enough to make me retire my 9mm but i also switch between a .40 and ...
I agree it sounds a bit fishy but still not enough to make me retire my 9mm but i also switch between a .40 and 357 whatever I feel like and i'm sure no not even me wants to be on the business end of anything that goes bang
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The HP in NC use .357 sig in their M&P duty weapons for better penetration through barriers. I'm still comfortable carrying a 9mm. If I'm in a highway altercation and can't evade, I'm using the weapon already in my hand - my vehicle. If BG has one hand on the wheel and one on a gun he'll have a hard time keeping his vehicle going straight. Brakes - swerve - PIT maneuver - drive off to a safe place.
i doubt any hand gun bullet shot thru a windshield will retain enough accuracy to do much good
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Good lord, I just read thru some of that stuff....Something aint right...
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Yup, those wimpy 9mm can't shoot through glass. The theoretical bad guy had a 45 seen through the tinted windows at night and they could not even get out of the BG's car, must have been the tinting film. This is why I only carry my 88 MAGNUM...it shoots through schools, or a tree and the guy standing behind the tree.
I am confused by the article. The friend that posted said his friend fired one shot at the other car, then the friend states that the other shooter missed the friends car, yet there are three bullet holes in the windshield and bullet jackets in the dashboard.Where did these rounds come from? The grassy knoll?"I don’t think the last 3 rounds got through my windshield, either, and I know the copper jackets didn’t. They’re resting on and lodged in my dashboard. The lead cores may have penetrated, but if they did, they certainly weren’t on the trajectory that I sent them on and they were not lethal."
"Thank God gang bangers can’t shoot not even at ranges less than six feet. I’m fine, but shaken. He didn’t even hit my car. The police still haven’t found my assailant and it’s not likely that they will."
This is why I've outfitted all of my windows and windshield with small C4 charges tied to a detonator switch on the steering wheel. One flip of the switch and it blows all the windows out so I can fire unimpeded.
I've read glass is the most difficult for any jacketed bullet to shoot through (core separation, fragmentation). That's why I carry Cor-Bon DPX.
Just because a 9mm didn't work, doesn't mean the 40 would have been much/any better. If the 40/45 is better, how much? 1 out of 10000? 1 out of 1000? 1 out of 100?? Because there's no conclusion, I presume the difference is insignificant, and not a concern.
As for the story, I have lots of questions. I'd like to know why the victim decided to take the time to pull a weapon versus use the car for defense.
Caliber doesn't matter much on glass - it deflects rifle bullets as well as handgun bullets.
There was a web page of testing devoted to being in or around cars during a gun fight. I don't have the link to it but as I recall a car is an awful place to be period. Inside, outside, didn't matter. Best to be someplace else. The bullets deflect a "lot" going through the windshield due to the angle of it. Where they will hit is anybodies guess. Glass tears up bullets regardless of caliber. One of the hardest tests to pass in the FBI series is the glass barrier test.
As far as I know, only the Hornady Critical Duty rounds have passed all the barrier tests. But I may have missed one.
That said, the story as related doesn't hold together for me. Too many inconsistancies.
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Firing a gun in a vehicle. Windows rolled up= busted ear drums
I'm not even a 9mm fan yet can state that it is definitely good enough.
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