38 vs 9mm

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    I find it dreadfully funny how much people key in on velocity and energy figures for their choices.
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    Yup,

    I'll take the heaviest and fastest, but emphasis on "heavy" in any caliber. IMO, that's where the ,38 special rocks!
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    It's also comical how some persist in selectively choosing from mediocre .38 Special factory loadings, some even wearing the "+P" designation and yet are light-bullet weenies, and using these quoted .38 Special ballistics to "prove" that the 9mm is "more powerful."
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    We all know a handgun is a piss poor fight stopper. But its easier to carry than a rifle or shotgun. That been said I used to carry a 38 with 158 swc +p+ cor bons. But they dont sell them anymore. Im an auto kind of guy and I carry a 9mm with 124 gr golden sabres. I use the 9 for economic reasons we also have a tactical club we shoot at once a week. And the 9 just makes sense on an economical stand point of view. And with the right load is a decent caliber. And yes shot placement rules. Stay safe.

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    I did not know the handgun was a bad fight stopper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    I find it dreadfully funny how much people key in on velocity and energy figures for their choices.
    And forget weight & sectional density.
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    9 mm would be my first choice.

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    [QUOTE=skysoldier29;2147420]My thought is. On the street if I can't solve my problems after initial contact with a BG with 5 rounds of 38 SPL, I don't feel having 10 more rounds of 9mm or 4 more rounds of 45 in a 1911 is going to do much good. Either I can't hit my target and he likely got me, or there were multiple bad guys who got me. Almost all the time from what I have read on the Internet (not great info usually) is that most civilian concealed carry shootings happen in less than 5 rounds.[/QUOTE]



    ^^^^^^This is the sort of rhetoric^^^^^^^^^

    The politicians and anti-gunners want to hear from us.

    Granted he was/is a police officer, but what would differentiate the shooting, and the end results of the Peter Soulis incident?? Officer Down: The Peter Soulis Incident - Below 100 - LawOfficer.com

    I'm not taking about how he came into contact with the perp in question, but just the fact that he had to shoot this individual with the amount of rounds he did. He was very fortunate he did not encounter two or more individuals,he may not have fared as well as he did.
    It could be any one of us, coming into contact with someone like he did.

    I know, I know, you pay your dues, ya takes your chances. But I would want the extra rounds.

    To answer the OP's question, I think its a draw, with 5 rounds each.
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    No shame in a 38. And the right round in a 38+P is not something I want to get shot with.
    Wife switched to a S&W 38 Body Guard the slide on the Autos was not working well with her hand problem. I don't think she is any less protected than with her 9mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    I did not know the handgun was a bad fight stopper.
    Well maybe not a bad fight stopper. but not as good as a rifle or shotty. But easier to carry

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkruf View Post
    Forget round count. 5 shots vs 15 shots.
    Forget carry condition, recoil, difference in how they shoot.
    Also forget "shot placement is most important" of course it is, but for this case. You have 5 rounds of either type, you can put them anywhere you want on the perp. All five rounds in the head or all 5 in the chest, which round do you prefer?

    5 rounds of .38+P (Gold Dots or Hydroshocks) or 5 rounds of 9mm +P (Gold Dots, Golden Saber, Critical Defense etc.)

    Type of carry gun does not matter, 5 rounds to 5 rounds.

    Which do you think is the better round? .38 or 9mm?
    With all due respect, this appears to be a completely pointless exercise.
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    My 38 SPL will stop that perp & thats all that counts
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    Very Interesting.....Hmmm. The two rounds are close but I think the .38 special more accurate & able to launch a heavier(very slightly) bullet. So guess I'm going with the .38 special.

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    Energy is the potential ability to do work, at least it's comparative.
    Just because the 38 special might be loaded with a 158 gr. bullet doesn't automatically mean it will penetrate better than the 9mm.

    Here are select 9mm and 38 gelatin results from the "Summary of Results" in Street Stoppers.
    Penetration depth, then final diameter:
    38: Winchester 158 gr. LHP +P: 14.8'' / .62
    38: Federal 158 gr. LHP +P: 15.2'' / .60
    9mm: Winchester 147 gr. R-SXT: 15.8'' / .62
    9mm: Federal 147 JHP 9MS-1: 15.9'' / .57

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    My cousin (long story I won't repeat) was shot at point blank range at his stomach with a .38. It hurt, but it didn't penetrate.... it hit his cowboy belt buckle and the round was found sitting between his buckle and the leather of the belt. The ambulance and the guy on the gurney in the news, was the guy who tried to shoot him after he beat the crap out of the guy for trying to shoot him.

    When people talk about grain size of the bullet, that's all fine and good.... but that should not be a sole determiner or you will be disappointed. Penetration is a big factor...... and that's why I suggested the 9mm would be better. An example would be in the .357 .... an approximate 125 gr bullet has been shown to do better with better penetration, than a 158 gr. and is considered to cause more damage.

    Personally, I carry a 9mm with a .357 - 5 shot backup, or a 7-shot .357 with a small 9mm as backup. So, either way, they may get a dose of both.
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