Quick Question - Which one? 45 acp or 357 mag

Quick Question - Which one? 45 acp or 357 mag

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    Quick Question - Which one? 45 acp or 357 mag

    Just a quick choice.. if you "HAD TO" shoot, after using Bear Spray (and it didn't work) a black bear. Say 500 lb or less. If you had the choice, while hiking, to carry either a 3" SP101 .357 or a Glock 21 .45ACP, which one would you carry?

    Do not want to carry a 44 Mag due to size/weight. In fact lets say you have to carry concealed as well because of where you are hiking. 44 Mag is just so big and heavy, and has such recoil, I think if I even had time to get two shots off, the less recoil, the better. I don't think my 2nd shot with a 44 Mag, "if" I could conceal it and carry while hiking, would hit the mark.

    So between a .357 SP101 and a Glock 21 .45ACP, which would you suggest? Like I said, Bear spray would be my first "go to", for black bear 500 lb or less.
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    I guess that I'd opt for the G21 with ball ammo. More bullets, more chances to hit something.
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    I'd have to go with .45 ACP. That's not even a difficult choice to make.
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    Too small for bear. Take the lightest option. Once the bear is done with you, only one bullet is required to end your suffering.
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    I would pick the Glock 21 and 230 gr. ball; I believe quick follow up shots would be advantageous.
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    Black bears are relatively easy to kill. However, I would not take the .45 as a trail gun if bears are a concern. The .357 mag is the better round for bear protection.

    You have already eliminated the most common trail SD round with the .44 mag, so the next step down choice wise is the .357 mag as well.
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    45 acp. Especially when weighed against a 5 shot short barrel gun.

    However, it would be just as easy to pack the G20 in 10mm, which in fact is much better than both of them for that particular purpose.
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    I would have to say .357 as well. The .45 might have more ammo per load, and be the heavier round, but the .357 has more punch behind it. And, if nothing else the 'BANG' would most likely run it off.

    I know I would leave nothing but a rather pasty-white blur behind me as I vacated the area where someone was shooting a .357 in my direction.
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    the 10mm is a darn good answer but it was not 'one of the above'

    cause i hit better and follow up much fast with my 1911, thats the one i would carry.
    with understanding that if my skills were equal with a same weight 357, id carry that.

    oh, wait--6 of 357 vs 9 of 45...ok, its the 45 for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    45 acp. Especially when weighed against a 5 shot short barrel gun.

    However, it would be just as easy to pack the G20 in 10mm, which in fact is much better than both of them for that particular purpose.
    Thanks Glockman. That is interesting since the G20 is the same size from what I can tell without comparing spec for spec, as the G21. That might be an option, instead of G21, switch to G20.

    Quote Originally Posted by claude clay View Post
    the 10mm is a darn good answer but it was not 'one of the above'

    cause i hit better and follow up much fast with my 1911, thats the one i would carry.
    with understanding that if my skills were equal with a same weight 357, id carry that.

    oh, wait--6 of 357 vs 9 of 45...ok, its the 45 for sure.
    Yeah, I know 10mm wasn't one of the options, but G20 vs G21, same size gun, really no difference except the punch. As for the SP101... actually it's 5 shots not 6, and the G21 (.45) is 13+1. The G20 (10mm) is 15+1.
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    Not a trick question, simple answer...more holes, bigger holes...Glock-21.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctr View Post
    Too small for bear. Take the lightest option. Once the bear is done with you, only one bullet is required to end your suffering.
    LOL!

    First, the best defense against black bears is making lots of noise. In that respect and as a last resort, you're better off just shooting the gun into the ground to try and scare the the bear away. If you shoot a bear with either of those guns, you're likely to just piss it off and cause it to charge faster than it planned on charging!

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    Originally Posted by claude clay

    the 10mm is a darn good answer but it was not 'one of the above'

    cause i hit better and follow up much fast with my 1911, thats the one i would carry.
    with understanding that if my skills were equal with a same weight 357, id carry that.

    oh, wait--6 of 357 vs 9 of 45...ok, its the 45 for sure.


    Yeah, I know 10mm wasn't one of the options, but G20 vs G21, same size gun, really no difference except the punch. As for the SP101... actually it's 5 shots not 6, and the G21 (.45) is 13+1. The G20 (10mm) is 15+1.

    im guilty of answering based on what i have on hand--a S&W 66 6 round 357 and a kimber 45 that carries 9 of 45.

    i sit corrected and stand on my 1st 7 words--the 10mm is a darn good answer

    my vote goes to the G20
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    I'd take the Glock. You're negating the purpose and power of that big 357 Mag round with the short barrel. Glockman gave the best answer though, the 10mm is the one to take.

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    If you're going against a bear, you're better off with a 357. At least you can contact the bear with the barrel and pull the trigger. The Glock or any Semiauto, for that matter, would jam.


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