Help with 38 special ammo

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    I sure would trust a .38 Special snub that is loaded with non+P 158 grain lead SWCs. Hit 'em with heavy lead and leave the lightweight bullets for lesser rounds like .380. I use 158 grain +P and so does my wife but I wouldn't be perturbed to use a heavy full or semi-waddcutter loading that wasn't loaded to +P levels. There's not all that much difference. What I won't do is rely on light to middling bullets and hoping for expansion from a snub barrel. Not going to rely on FBI protocols either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
    I sure would trust a .38 Special snub that is loaded with non+P 158 grain lead SWCs. Hit 'em with heavy lead and leave the lightweight bullets for lesser rounds like .380. I use 158 grain +P and so does my wife but I wouldn't be perturbed to use a heavy full or semi-waddcutter loading that wasn't loaded to +P levels. There's not all that much difference. What I won't do is rely on light to middling bullets and hoping for expansion from a snub barrel. Not going to rely on FBI protocols either.
    And I am totally on board with Doc Roberts who is one of the cutting edge experts in firearm ballistics and wound profiles... from first hand experience and painstaking research into the matter.

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    I'd have to go with the crowd recommending a nice heavy SWC or WC.

    Those cookie cutters can do a nice job.
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    "Dr. Robert(s), he's a man you must believe,
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    No one can succeed like Dr. Robert(s)."
    “No possible rapidity of fire can atone for habitual carelessness of aim with the first shot.”

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    Times change..... methods change... ammunition evolves.... medical care and research evolves.... technology evolves.... some people do not.
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    What about Hornady Critical Defense ammo?
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    Times change ... opinions change ... ammunition "snake oil" is marketed ... Folks buy into the marketing ... people follow the crowd ... some people do not.

    Good hits mostly work and bad hits mostly won't work. Self-contained metallic ammunition has changed much less than many would like to think.
    Last edited by bmcgilvray; February 11th, 2012 at 12:11 AM.
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    I hardly find the 135Gr+p Gold dot snake oil. but to each his own I suppose.... bullets fired out of short barrels exhibit different characteristics than those out of service length weapons and todays technology has allowed people like Doc Roberts to re-evaluate people like facklers studies and provide more in depth accurate data. Average Americans are much fatter now, larger framed, more muscle, more mass..... But some old timers will never give up their old ways.... to each their own. I like to evolve with the times.

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    And I'm just the old-timer to fit the description. Evolving with the times sometimes amounts to blowing in the wind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
    And I'm just the old-timer to fit the description. Evolving with the times sometimes amounts to blowing in the wind.
    I agree to disagree with you sir, but still value your opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mano3 View Post
    What about Hornady Critical Defense ammo?
    "There is a secret pride in every human heart that revolts at tyranny. You may order and drive an individual, but you cannot make him respect you." William Hazlitt (1778 - 1830)

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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    I agree to disagree with you sir, but still value your opinions.
    I can do that too. You're a favorite read here on the Forum and your posts are always noted. Love folks who stake out a position and defend it. Causes me to think more. DC Forum is the place to keep up to date with the shooting world, even for geezers.
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    I like this quote from Dr. Roberts, from the link that azchevy provided:

    As always, don't get too wrapped in the nuances of ammunition terminal performance. Spend your time and money on developing a warrior mindset, training, practice, and more training.
    He notes that the traditional +P SWCHP provides adequate penetration, but unreliable expansion from 2" barrels. I think that most old timers carrying the SWC understand that.

    It seems that since reliable expansion isn't guaranteed when using short barreled snubs, some will go for the guaranteed penetration of the SWC design.

    I spied some of those Corbon loads at the sporting goods store; I plan on getting a box to try out
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgb View Post
    Why? Seems to meet FBI penetration standards and expand evenly. Very curious about this...
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    Plain old 38 130 gr flat nose gently on the hand but still put BG down

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