Help with 38 special ammo

Help with 38 special ammo

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    Help with 38 special ammo

    Since we got the wife a new LCR last weekend I have been on a search for a good non +p sd ammo. I am afraid if we go to +p she will start hating the LCR like she did the 638. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


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    Custom Ammo 38 Special 125 Grain XTP Jacketed Hollow Point Box of 25

    They also come in 158's, but those are a bit snappier, I suspect.

    EDIT: By the way, the reviews appear to be in line with what you are looking for. Good luck.

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    In order of preference

    Federal P38M

    Winchester Silvertip 110gr JHP

    Speer GD 125Gr non +p

    The nyclad 125gr P38M is gonna be your best bet

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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    In order of preference

    Federal P38M

    Winchester Silvertip 110gr JHP

    Speer GD 125Gr non +p

    The nyclad 125gr P38M is gonna be your best bet

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    I don't know about the P38m looks like they are easily plugged unless the have changed
    .38 Special Federal 125gr Nyclad JHP (S&W Model 60)

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    Don't believe I'd trust any of the non +p loads for self defense use. The Corbon 110gr DPX +P is my #1 choice in .38 special.
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    I know the 125 gr. Golden Sabers open up in both standard pressure and +p they are sometimes hard to find in standard pressure though, but is my preferred carry in my 438. Any XTP I've tried even at +p pressure doesn't open up out of the snub nose. Maybe see if they make the 135 gr. gold dot in standard pressure. The other Gold Dots are built to expand at higher velocities. Also look into cast SWC bullets preferably not a hard cast by todays standards. Modern hard cast has a Brinell hardness of 20+ and for standard pressure revolver rounds are best with a hardness of 11-12.

    This is honestly one of the few times I wouldn't recommend an XTP cause they are a very good bullet, they just need a little more velocity, they will expand, but it just takes them a lot longer. I know the Golden Saber has the penetration too, which is something that the XTP always has.

    Here is a picture of a Golden Saber through my 438 shot through 1 gallon water jug. They are accurate too.



    Ultimately you may have to do some of your own testing and also see what your gun likes best as a miss is always a miss no matter how well that bullet performs

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgb View Post
    Don't believe I'd trust any of the non +p loads for self defense use. The Corbon 110gr DPX +P is my #1 choice in .38 special.
    That is the box right now so I need to stay in it. Thanks for the non answer please read my original post.
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    Here's what I use

    I tried the +P FBI load, but it was to stiff for me in an airweight j-frame.
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    If she can make good fast hits with plain ol' wadcutters, then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbum View Post
    That is the box right now so I need to stay in it. Thanks for the non answer please read my original post.

    Sorry, I read your post and to my knowledge there are no good non +P self defense loads. There are only two .38 special loads I'm aware of that meet the FBI protocol and they're both +P loads, I suggested the softer shooting of the two. Maybe you should let her try it and let her decide.

    http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_De....38spl/.357mag

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    Cor-Bon DPX 110gr +P for me. I really like the solid copper bullet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbum View Post
    I don't know about the P38m looks like they are easily plugged unless the have changed
    .38 Special Federal 125gr Nyclad JHP (S&W Model 60)
    Well there are only two loads that have passed denim/gelatin expansion tests out of the short barreled snubs and neither are " in your box" so what now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Free View Post
    If she can make good fast hits with plain ol' wadcutters, then...
    This right here is probably the most important part of it all. Also if the are cast to the right hardness they'd probably outperform any jacketed bullet out there. The Lead cast Semi-wadcutter is one of the finest bullet designs out there for a handgun. The biggest issue with Lead though is how hard they are cast and most commercial lead bullets are too hard.

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    interest is in what she can comfortably make good hits with.

    not what passes 'tests'

    it is good sense to carry what one is capable with rather than what 'studies' and others find preferable

    try heaver (158gr) lead semi-wad cutter. and perhaps nyclad's and silvertips.
    the line between standard and +P --which is closer to what a standard load was 30 years ago is becoming blurred.

    be it a 1 7/8" or 2" or 2 1/8" bbl and what the cylinder gap is can add up to relatively large velocity differences;
    so what it says on the box is secondary to what your wife says.
    so rather than a crono, use your wifes hand and let her 'find' the cartrage that she can put on target and is
    comfortable to shoot such that she will not find practice a hurtful chore.

    and lets suppose that a practice session is a box of 50. after 20, have her put a shooting glove on.
    its not what she would have on in the real world, but it will further mitigate the perceived recoil.

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    Cool

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    My use to be 649-2 which is now my wife's carry gun has had numerous different .38 spl rounds through it over the years.

    I like the heavier loads and the 158 gr. LSWCHP +p was my favorite.

    When my wife took it as her's we tried several different loads including some lighter weight +p's.

    We finally settled on the 125 gr. Nyclad.

    She can control it and place hits on target.

    The Pachmayr grips make a big difference in reducing felt recoil.

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