This is a discussion on 40 cal weight within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Not all 135 and 165gr loads are created equal. The Federal PD Hydra Shok comes to mind, it's a medium powered load and pretty mild. ...
Not all 135 and 165gr loads are created equal. The Federal PD Hydra Shok comes to mind, it's a medium powered load and pretty mild. The 135 from others (Double Tap, etc) is full powered ammo. Same with some 165s, you should compare.
When I carried a .40 concealed I used a light, full power 135gr JHP most of the time. When I had a chance to pick ammo for a local LEO agency we ended up with 165gr Gold Saber. I think those are the best all around non-bonded load.
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I Personally Carry the 165grain Winchester Ranger T-Series... I have actually test my bullet in a variety of different waterjugs. 14 Inches of penitation and the mushroom of the bullet has keep me carrying this round. I will be posting a series of videos on my youtube channel this summer regarding balistics. I will be doing more than just the typical "shoot into water jugs" testing.
I will be testing in the following situations:
shooting JHP through car doors and into balstic media
shooting JHP through Pylwood and into balstic media
shooting JHP through Drywall and into balstic media
shooting JHP through car windows and into balstic media
If you want your round tested feel free to post message me and we can work something out. I don't have the means to buy all the common hand gun rounds on the market to test them. I have the means to test every round except the .357sig.
I would love to test some Gold Dots, Hornady Critical Duty/Critical Defense, Federal, Winchester, Etc. Post message me. for more details.
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Here's a great website for ammo effectiveness (stopping power) - 40 S&W Stopping Power
You will see that there are many commonalities between loads, but also some important differences (like penetration and diameter). You want something that will penetrate and expand well, but not over-penetrate (possibly due to lack of expansion in HPs). It's a good reference.
I'm from Wisconsin and for several months a year people wear heavy coats. Lack of bullet expansion was a concern. There are a lot of decent youtube videos that demonstrate how something like a jean jacket or heavy coat can plug the hollow point. I decided to go with Hornady's Critical Defense (165 gr. FTX bullet) as my carry load. The new Critical Duty load could be a better choice if you anticipate shooting through windows or doors. I empty my carry magazines at the range every 6 weeks and haven't had any problems with this cartridge. Otherwise at the range I shoot Federal's American Eagle 180 grain FMJ. It is reasonably priced, reliable, and accurate.
Hope this is helpful.
I load 180gr HST and Golden Sabers.
I want to get back to the OP's original requirements: stop the BG and minimize the chance of over-penetration. I want to preface this by saying I think it is definitely worth consideration, but I agree with prior comments that you can split hairs over this subject and things can still go wrong, i.e.: not stopping the BG, or having over-penetration. And I have no expertise on the subject.
This month's American Rifleman had a great article titled Handgun Stopping Power detailing extensive studies done by Richard Mann. Using ordnance gelatin he has collected 500 bullets in various calibers, and recorded velocity, penetration, and expansion factor. Looking at the .40 cal test data, the following cartridges had the LEAST penetration of the .40s at 11 inches:
DoubleTap 135 gr Nosler JHP
Federal 135 gr Hydra Shok
Winchester 180 gr PDX1
The average pen for .40s was 13.7 and greatest was 17.3. Interesting that the least penetration is found with cartridges of both the lowest AND the highest grain bullet! And if you're wondering how it's possible, the PDX1 has the highest expansion factor of 2.08, more than double the original size.
So IMO don't split hairs, but if it concerns you, definitely look at the data! Looking at .380 data, not counting the 1 +P load tested, the GREATEST pen is the Remington 88 gr JHP. These are inexpensive/standard JHPs, I've shot them before. 88 gr for .380 is on the low end, but these rounds had 18 inches of pen due to an expansion factor of only 1.01, pretty much the original size! Average pen for .380s was 12.6 by comparison, and the 2nd highest pen was 14 with the Remington 102 gr Golden Sabre.
I personally prefer a heavier bullet, but the bottom line is putting the bullet where it is supposed to be.... i would think a double tap from any size 40 will at the very least get someones attention. To me it is more about shot placement than what i am placinig there.
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