Underwood ammo is the best

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    Underwood ammo is the best

    I picked up a box of Underwood ammo and its awesome..PRICE WAS LESS THEN 30$ FOR 50RDS! got it the next day and was very impressed I believe its better then double tap... quality and the best velocity

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    Uh huh. Caliber? JHP, FMJ? Weight? Velocity? Ballistics gelatin pics?

    Upon what factors do you base your opinion?
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    Clearly the Underwood ammo seems to be a good value, however I've not seen anyone offer evidence it is "better" than Double Tap.

    Double Tap has made it's reputation on precise loadings with well selected components and using that precision to load at the high end of velocities while still staying within spec for safety.

    I have to say, a lot of the Underwood posts sound the same. Not a lot of specificity other than velocity and price.
    Pretty much all we know is they use well regarded bullets and load hot. Are they consistent? Is it safe? I want to know that each round will be consistent and within spec.

    Perhaps it is as good as the Double Tap, but I'd like a bit more detail and track record before I commit to a defensive round.

    -john

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    Underwood, at least in the 10mm offering that I assume Sean is referring to since his name is.....Sean10mm, has proven itself to be superior in independent chrono tests done by many folks over on the 10mm forum, Glock Talk and The High Road. Newer Double Tap offerings consistently hit below advertised velocities in 10mm at all bullet weights, while Underwood consistently comes in at or way above advertised velocities in 10mm. Here are the results from the 10 rounds I sent one person for testing a couple weeks ago. These are advertised at 1305fps from a G20 (shorter barrel than the pistol used in testing).

    "I would like to thank deadguy for the 10 DoubleTap 180gr Noslers he sent me for exchange! The second DoubleTap testing video from today is uploading. I had 10 perfect shots/readings and if I had to guess these are late edition DoubleTap Here are the numbers:

    1285, 1220, 1263, 1279, 1230, 1235, 1200, 1253, 1252, 1297. 1251.4 FPS/625.77 LBS. "

    The same person testing Underwood Ammo and a couple others.

    "- Underwood 135gr Nosler (1600 FPS)
    4.75" Match- 1613, 1625, 1606, 1658, 1620. Avg. 1624.4 FPS/ 791.2 LBS. Similar to last time out.
    6" Hunter- 1706, 1698, 1752, 1691, 1655, 1716, 1716, 1685. Avg. 1702.4/ 869 LBS. I ran off a decent amount to make sure my string was good.

    - Underwood 165gr HP (1400 FPS)
    6" Hunter 1514, 1501. Avg. 1507.5 FPS/ 832.5 LBS. Limited amount of these so only ran the two. I did a ton before with the Match but didn't have the Hunter at that time. Good numbers!

    - Underwood 180gr HP (1300 FPS)
    4.75" Match 1306, 1333, 1306, 1348, 1342, 1331. Avg. 1327.67 FPS/ 704.7 LBS. Same as in the sheet and same as everytime I shoot the 180's.
    6" Hunter 1358, 1346, 1346, 1358, 1359, 1376. Avg. 1357.2 FPS/ 736.2 LBS.

    - Underwood 200gr XTP (1250 FPS)
    4.75" Match 1185, 1273, 1212, 1257, 1186, 1214, 1195, 1196. Avg. 1212 FPS/ 652.5 LBS.
    6" Hunter 1215, 1229, 1223, 1223, 1230, 1222, 1206, 1228, 1231. Avg. 1223 FPS/ 664.4 LBS.

    - Scottsdale Ammo 180gr TMJ (1265 FPS)
    4.75" Match 1315, 1315, 1283, 1261, 1295, 1253, 1287, 1254. 1282.88 FPS/ 658 LBS. New source and looks like their claims are valid.
    6" Hunter 1303, 1301, 1325, 1339, 1294, 1299, 1280, 1294, 1309. Avg. 1304.88/ 680.7 LBS.

    - Buffalo Bore 200gr FMJ
    4.75" Match 1196, 1195, 1212, 1204, 1178. Avg. 1197 FPS/ 636.5 LBS. Repeats with last test results.
    6" Hunter 1244. Only had one to shoot so 1244 FPS/ 687.4 LBS.

    - PMC 200gr FMJ (Ammo Exchange with David Sneed YouTube)
    4.75" Match 1071, 1077, 1069, 1075, 1076. Avg. 1073.6 FPS/ 512 LBS.
    6" Hunter 1115, 1123, 1122, 1110, 1115. Avg. 1117 FPS/ 554.2 LBS."


    In addition, here is a spreadsheet done by another person testing many different brands and Double Tap is significantly lower than claimed while others are dang near close to claims in these tests.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Fa25xa1E#gid=0


    I like Double Tap. But for $20 less per 50 rounds, and ammo that is hitting claimed velocities, I will go elsewhere. Scottsdale and Underwood are my new choices.

    If more data is needed I will be happy to find it. There is another sheet that I am searching for.
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    Hey,thanks for the velocity readings....smart phone key pads make my fingers tired...take my word its pound for pound better than most..I should have said....yes it was the 10mm in stock g20sf...no problems,great accuracy.....and a viable option to anyone's ccw regime.
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    No problem. Love sharing the word about 10mm
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    Yes sir...really is truth to the statement "with a glock 20sf.you don't have to conceal three 41mags anymore......really helped my back.

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    I received an email from Kevin at Underwood WRT his 180 grain Gold Dot Delta Elite loads (for non ramped 1911 barrels), and the load is actually set up to run about 1240fps rather than the advertised 1200fps. I plan to make it my self defense load very soon.

    Double Tap has enjoyed much success and at one time loaded to claim, but lately they've come up short. The word is out on Underwood, Scottsdale, and Elite.

    FYI, Ted Nugent has a 10mm offering hitting the market and there is a new kid in town, Big Bear Ammo. Lots to choose from now. DT better step it up or be left behind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bzdog View Post
    Clearly the Underwood ammo seems to be a good value, however I've not seen anyone offer evidence it is "better" than Double Tap.

    Double Tap has made it's reputation on precise loadings with well selected components and using that precision to load at the high end of velocities while still staying within spec for safety.

    I have to say, a lot of the Underwood posts sound the same. Not a lot of specificity other than velocity and price.
    Pretty much all we know is they use well regarded bullets and load hot. Are they consistent? Is it safe? I want to know that each round will be consistent and within spec.

    Perhaps it is as good as the Double Tap, but I'd like a bit more detail and track record before I commit to a defensive round.

    -john
    I give you TNOutdoors9, the YouTube authority on all things to do with handgun ammo ballistics. These are THE best ammo tests he's run for ANY 9mm ammo. He also has tests on 10mm ammo from Underwood, which are equally impressive. I'd say this is pretty convincing evidence of the legitimacy of Underwood. I've ran Double Tap and Underwood in all my 9mm's and Underwood has been just as reliable in both feeding and firing as Double Tap and the velocities are always faster (and as we know E=mc^2, therefore more velocity is alot more energy). I have completely discontinued use of all Double Tap not because Double Tap isn't legitimate ammo, but because there is NO reason to pay what they ask when I could have better for less.

    Underwood 9mm 115 gr +P+ JHP Ammo test - YouTube
    9mm +P+ Underwood Gold Dot 124 gr Ammo Gel test - YouTube
    9mm +P+ Underwood 147 gr Gold Dot Ammo Gel test - YouTube
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    Yep - I agree with the OP. Great value, and they meet advertised specs, which not everyone does....

    I'm carrying 165 GDHP @ 1400 in my G20SF these days.

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    Wrong. The 10mm ammo I have been working up for over 27 years is the best there is. And I can do it for less than 18 bucks per 50, with premium components.
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    How did the theory of relativity get into this post? Are we converting energy into matter here? Vice versa? Does this ammo exceed the speed of light squared?

    The formula you're looking for, indykid, is E=mv^2. :)
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    I was excited to try Underwood a few months back. Purchased a box of 9mm 115 gr +p+.
    Out of 7 rounds fired through my G26, 2 jammed the gun completely.
    I had to almost beat the slide off as the fired brass was literally locked in the chamber. Once I got the slide off and muscled the barrel out, I then proceeded to hammer the case out with a wooden dowel.

    No damage to the G26, but I want to try a few in my G19 before giving up on them.

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    Underwood ammo is the best

    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    How did the theory of relativity get into this post? Are we converting energy into matter here? Vice versa? Does this ammo exceed the speed of light squared?

    The formula you're looking for, indykid, is E=mv^2. :)
    KE=mv^2 to be more precise which is derived from E=mc^2. Neither of which have to do with the theory of relativity. Check your facts brah.

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