Which has better incapacitation> .357sig or 40 caliber?

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    Using quality JHP ammunition that passes the FBI protocol they preform very similarly.

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    speed of delivering the shots accurately
    or accurately delivering the shots fast

    accuracy don't matter if it is not done quickly
    and fast don't matter if you are not on target

    so its both accuracy and speed--which caliber can you do 8 rounds on 3 or 4 targets the best with?

    my p239 has both bbls and i shoot both equally. but i carry with the 40 cause its sub-sonic. thus easier on the ears
    if fired without muffs. not much, but it is somewhat less damaging to the ears. also, should the 357 not expand, there is less risk of shoot through.

    good post sgb. that is a useful visual as it rather shows that most handgun calibers are in the
    same ballpark.
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    Urk, yeah, totally forgot about the subsonic aspect
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    Whatever handgun will help get you to your rifle/shotgun.
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    .357sig no doubt.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    If those were the only choices available to me, I would go with the .40 simply by virtue of ammo availability, price, and diversity. Ballistics and recoil appear to be nearly identical.
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    Here. I'm not saying that this is scientific or the definitive word on ballistics. But this guy has a bunch of these videos in .357 sig and .40 cal. Lots to see and learn.




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    Here is a comparsion article for reference: HandGunInfo.com: 357SIG: 357 Sig and .40 Comparison


    As for cost of ammo:

    Cost of reloads for practice is much less then factory practice rounds! The bullet cost are the same for my 9mm and 357 Sig practice rounds and the only increase cost between the two is the powder load.

    As for the SD rounds I get them from SGAmmo.com and here is a comparsion, all 50 round boxes:

    9mm - Winchester T-Series, 124gr +P $24.95; 124 gr +P bonded $25.95; 127gr +P+ $24.95
    357 Sig - Winchester T-Series: 125 gr $28.95; 125 gr bonded $31.95
    357 Sig - Double Tap: 147 gr $46.79 - Double Tap website
    40 S & W - Winchester Ranger T-Series, 165gr bonded $25.95; 180gr SXT $25.99

    Bulk Target at SGAmmo.com:

    1000 rounds of Speer Lawman 357 Sig 125gr TMJ $344.80
    1000 rounds of Speer Lawman 40 S&W 165gr TMJ $299.00

    Best bet is to purchase a 40 S & W then buy a spare 357 Sig barrel or vise versa!

    Disclaimer: I carry a HK P2000 SK in 357 SIG flavor!


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    I wouldn't like to get hit with either round.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smolck View Post
    Here. I'm not saying that this is scientific or the definitive word on ballistics. But this guy has a bunch of these videos in .357 sig and .40 cal. Lots to see and learn.



    Thank-You for the videos! The Speer Gold Dot .357sig-125gr. really does quite a bit of damage!

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    I have found this podcast on the .357 sig---enjoy!

    http://content.blubrry.com/proarms/055.mp3

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    I guess you're going to have to buy one of each.
    I have a .40 cal and shoot it fair to middling.
    I do hear a glock 32 calling my name, even though it has to wait in line.

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    Which has better incapacitation> .357sig or 40 caliber?
    The answer is............ yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades View Post
    Whatever handgun will help get you to your rifle/shotgun.
    Great thought for someone at home. But when I am at the 7-11 my rifle/shotgun are a LONG way away. Everyone knows a handgun isn't optimal, but the only thing practical for having with you 24/7.

    Quote Originally Posted by goldshellback View Post
    The answer is............ yes.
    Shoot them in the face and you'll find caliber is a lot less important.

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    Comments on the .357 SIG


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Does the .357 SIG equal the .357 Magnum? Yes and no. The bullets used in the .357 SIG do not expand and fragment as dynamically as the .357 Magnum. In personal defense, the 115 to 124 grain .357 SIG bullets are fine but as we move to the 140 grain weight the .357 Magnum's greater case capacity shows much greater power. In the real world, the .357 SIG has as much punch with comparable 125 gain loads as the .357 Magnum. the long suit of the .357 SIG is penetration. As an example, a few years ago I conducted a major test of the popular handgun service cartridges against vehicles. I used actual vehicles and some sheet metal, and included windshields and door glass. The single most effective loading proved to be the Hornady 124 grain XTP in .357 SIG caliber.

    by R.K. Campbell

    photography by R.K. Campbell

    July 10th, 2007


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    .357 SIG | Shooting Illustrated
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    .357 SIG
    One of the sleepers of modern pistol cartridges is slowly slipping away from us.

    I once did an extensive shoot where I pitted the .357 SIG and the .357 Mag. against one another in guns with typical barrel lengths. The results got me called an outright liar by some and incompetent by others. To boil it down to basics, a range of 10 different 125-grain .357 SIG loads in a P229 pistol averaged 1,350 fps. A range of 10, 125-grain .357 Mag. loads in a Smith & Wesson Model 19 revolver with a 4-inch barrel averaged 1,270 fps. That is an 80-fps advantage to the SIG pistol. And by the way, the magnum lineup included that screaming-hot Remington load so popular with today’s wheelgunners.

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    The aforementioned link to pete-357 sig in post 23

    I am still thinking of going with the .357 sig for my EDC pistol, as I believe it holds an edge. JMHO
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