The problem with stopping power.

The problem with stopping power.

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    The problem with stopping power.

    Found this and thought I would share.

    The Problem with Stopping Power | Down Range TV
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    Interesting article. Thanks for posting the link. One thing that is seldom mentioned how much it takes to motivate the individual receiving the incoming fire to stop what he's doing and retreat. A burglar might retreat at the mere sight of a gun. A 300 lb man psychotic on drugs might keep coming regardless of what you are shooting at him.
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    Im of the belief that pain compliance works. Put enough pain on someone they should stop. I understand that may not work 100% of the time, but have yet run into someone willing to take round after round. There will always be a stand out to this, that is why I prefer a .45 as my EDC...
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    I'd rather have 7 or 8 holes in me than 16 or 17 slightly smaller holes. But then again, I'd rather have no more holes than I have now.
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    Taken from the article: "Picture a truck hitting a wall at 25 mph and a VW Beetle hitting the same wall at 50 mph."

    I read that and think, ok, so the beetle is probably more destroyed. But what about the wall (aka "your target")? You can't beat Sir Isaac Newton with speed. The laws of physics don't change.

    Also, the author says smaller calibers are better for recoil. I have a problem with that too. Anyone ever shoot a Kahr CM9 vs a 1911? The 1911 shoots faster and has less recoil. Reason being the new generation of carry guns are VERY light. You need some weight to negate recoil. Typical .45 acp handguns are still fairly large.

    Bottom line, you can't speak in absolutes when it comes to ballistics. Shoot what you like. ALL handguns have been proven to kill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smolck View Post



    Also, the author says smaller calibers are better for recoil. I have a problem with that too. Anyone ever shoot a Kahr CM9 vs a 1911? The 1911 shoots faster and has less recoil. Reason being the new generation of carry guns are VERY light. You need some weight to negate recoil. Typical .45 acp handguns are still fairly large.

    Bottom line, you can't speak in absolutes when it comes to ballistics. Shoot what you like. ALL handguns have been proven to kill.
    Good post. I find that my sons Glock 23 .40 has more recoil than my xd .45. I suspect has something to do with the psi of the loads as well. The .40 to shoot a box can be painful while the .45 with its slower recoil is much easier.

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    I've had to stop some people immediately in their tracks and I didn't want to engage with my 1911 .45, I simply grabbed and rapidly lifted the double paper bag I require my wife to wear in public. The BG'S ran away in fear leaving their stomach contents behind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis1209 View Post
    I've had to stop some people immediately in their tracks and I didn't want to engage with my 1911 .45, I simply grabbed and rapidly lifted the double paper bag I require my wife to wear in public. The BG'S ran away in fear leaving their stomach contents behind
    Dennis was unaware that his wife was behind him reading over his shoulder until the cast iron skillet came crashing down on his head.
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    We need a gun that shoots kitchen knives because more people get killed by kitchen knives then and bullets
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gene83 View Post
    Dennis was unaware that his wife was behind him reading over his shoulder until the cast iron skillet came crashing down on his head.
    You got that right! Of course I was just kidding and my feable attempt at some humor to lighten things up a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    Im of the belief that pain compliance works. Put enough pain on someone they should stop. I understand that may not work 100% of the time, but have yet run into someone willing to take round after round. There will always be a stand out to this, that is why I prefer a .45 as my EDC...
    Pain is rarely felt with any appreciable amount of adrenaline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TumblingFTW View Post
    Pain is rarely felt with any appreciable amount of adrenaline.
    Im sure that you know this for sure. Please tell us what the appreciable amount of adrenaline is so that we do not feel pain....I would really like to know....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    Im sure that you know this for sure. Please tell us what the appreciable amount of adrenaline is so that we do not feel pain....I would really like to know....
    Look up dozens of Medal of Honor winners and see what many of them did despite receiving mortal wounds.

    Adrenaline, anger, alcohol, narcotics, mental disturbances--all can make an assailant seemingly immune to pain.

    In short, pain compliance is not something to be relied on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuda66 View Post
    Look up dozens of Medal of Honor winners and see what many of them did despite receiving mortal wounds.

    Adrenaline, anger, alcohol, narcotics, mental disturbances--all can make an assailant seemingly immune to pain.

    In short, pain compliance is not something to be relied on.
    You may want to re-read my first post. I never said that pain compliance was something to rely upon 100% of the time. Maybe its something in the water. Or maybe my swedish is out of whack today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    You may want to re-read my first post. I never said that pain compliance was something to rely upon 100% of the time. Maybe its something in the water. Or maybe my swedish is out of whack today.
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