Two to COM, and one to the noggin will do the trick regardless of bullet type.
This is a discussion on A poll, which .380 ACP round would you go with? within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Hi Erichb327; I'm not implying that you are willing to be irresponsible with your defensive carry but am using the comment as a jumping off ...
Round Nose FMJ
Flat Nose FMJ
Remington Golden Saber
Hornady Critical Defense
Speer Gold Dot
Winchester Ranger T
I'm not implying that you are willing to be irresponsible with your defensive carry but am using the comment as a jumping off point to call attention to an attitude that can undeniably be found on firearms forums. Those to whom it is directed know who they are.
I'm fine with use of expanding bullets with the ubiquitous hollow point. I think its value is, to some indeterminate extent, presented with enthusiasm that is excessive and in some cases unwarranted.
"There has to be some function hollow points are good for"
It would not be amiss to state that a considerable function of the hollow point is to sell ammunition.
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Bottom line is that the bullet needs enough penetration to reach the vitals, despite obstacles in the way like arms, hands, clothing, etc. Too little penetration is much more "dangerous" than a lack of expansion. Military cemetaries are full of folks killed by FMJ ammo. Bullet diameter does not make up for poor shot placement.
Yes, military cemeteries are filled with people shot with FMJ, but imagine how many more fatalities there might be if expanding rounds were used in combat rifles. The odds of survival with a more serious wound would be lower. It isn't like the military chooses to use FMJ because it offers superior terminal ballistics. The wound from a yawing and fragmenting 5.56 FMJ is much more serious than a 5.56 that goes straight through an enemy.
"Bullet diameter does not make up for poor shot placement" True statement. No matter what weapon, caliber or magazine capacity but we're not arguing 9mm vs .45 here like what this statement is usually used in. Well... actually we are. Do you want a 9mm (.355") wound through your attacker or a wound from a bullet expanded up to .45 caliber?
An expanding bullet that might just barely meet (or not) the FBI minimum penetration standard (12"); or,
A FMJ bullet that will slightly exceed the FBI's desired penetration depth (15"), but that does not exceed the maximum penetration standard (18").
I choose the latter. Others can do as they feel best.
I spent most of this Spring testing .380 in 2.5" - 2.8" barrels. I've not broken out the .380 from my other tests, but they are all here. Terminal Ballistics tests - YouTube tnoutdoors9 was incredibly helpful and supportive when I was just getting started with SIM-test testing. I think he knew I was interested in short barrel tests and wasn't trying to replicate the work he had previously done with mid and service length barrels.
When the dust settled after testing a dozen different .380's, I can't say I was surprised to see Gold Dot, Hydra-Shok, and Critical Defense come out on top of the list for balanced expansion and penetration. I agree the 380 is marginal, but sometimes only marginal can be managed in what you happen to be wearing. My tests are for me, but I'm happy to share the results. That's one reason I use 2 layers of denim and not 4. My 380 is a Summer gun and when it's in the 90's every day, a T-shirt is more realistic than 4 layers of denim.
I ended up buying more of this for my personal use after reviewing all my results. It's not optimal performance, but it's better than leaving something larger at home.
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I voted FNFMJ but you did not list Buffalo Bore 100 grain hard cast flat nose +P that is what I would have liked to vote for. 1061 FPS from the kel tec P3AT.
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