This is a discussion on FMJ or HP for .380 ACP?? within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by 481 "Should not" and "will not" are light-years apart. You have far more faith in the system producing that outcome than I ...
I never had to pay a dime in civil penalties. The person *I* shot was forced to pay restitution to me for his actions.
Got to concur with FMJ in Flat Point. Bigger Meplat and deeper penetration. AE has the 95gr - 50rds for around $16. Kilt is kilt.
I'm running Winchester PDX1 Defender ™ (STOP THE THREAT™) in everything from my .380's to my .45's and AR. That way, if it doesn't work and stop the threat, my next of kin only have one ammo manufacturer to sue.
"The superior man, when resting in safety, does not forget that danger may come." ~ Confucius
481, I understand the whole name thing, and because of that possible issue (as well as the lack of nickle plating) I would not carry Z-max when Critical Defense or another SD round is an option. But when you've shot someone is self defense, there are bigger issues than what kind of bullet you used. If the justice system works, and the jury isn't stupid as crap I really don't think the simple name of your ammo would get you wrongfully convicted of a crime. (lol, with all of the face eaters in the news maybe the jury wouldn't care)
You are right if the shooting ever goes to a civil/criminal trial, it could be a liability.
Thanks for sharing the link to the pictures of the PF9 and ammo. I was googling it last night and couldn't find any information about it. FMJ does seem odd though. Perhaps it was the only thing that would cycle reliably in the PF9?[/QUOTE] FMJ does seem odd though. Perhaps it was the only thing that would cycle reliably in the PF9?
ETA: Now that I think of it- Six, is your incident "book-worthy"? Have you thought about doing a book?
This morning my son-in-law, grandson and I went out for our normal Friday practice but this time I brought two pieces of 3/4" plywood. I set them up under our favorite zombie and did a little experiment with my P-238. From seven yards I shot a .380 powrball MJHP with a plastic ball in the nose at the double thikness (1 1/2") of plywood. It went through both. I then shot a FMJ through the same two plywood pieces. The exit holes were about identical. I then did the same MJHP +p with the S&W Airweight. And then I did the same with my FMJ practice round. Same story, about the same exit holes as the .380. My SIL shoots a .40 and he tried HP and FMJ. Grandson shot .357 mag HP. All these bullets went through two sheets of 3/4" plywood with almost identical exit holes. I am sure the +p and the .40 and the .357 went deeper into the backstop but two sheets of plywood is pretty tough and much more than winter clothing. This little test proves nothing except that the .380 bullet of either type if well placed will kill. We then went on with our normal practice. I still have a bit of problem getting the safety off on the P-238 after shooting the S&W Airweight. I'm sure any person would have the same problem shooting any gun with a safety after shooting a lot with a gun without; revolver, M&P 40, Glock, etc. Good time was had by all except our poor zombie who got replaced with a terroist when I got home.
Retired AF pilot, Vietnam FAC 1967-68