Anyone shoot Tul Ammo vs ballistic vests?

[taseal]

I have a pulled .45 acp tul ammo here (230gr) and checking with a magnet, it must have ALOT of steel in it, because compared to a 62gr, this thing really sticks to magnet!

so it got me curious...

has anyone shot a tul ammo (steel core) to a IIIa vest? I'm curious if the steel (even though it's mild steel) would be hard enough to penetrate a IIIa vest. thinking maybe it's just hard enough to not mushroom.

if anyone knows, let me know

I might buy a vest or something from bulletproofme and try it out for myself maybe :)

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[Foo909]

Not going to work, too little velocity, too much frontal area.

[taseal]

Not going to work, too little velocity, too much frontal area.

but steel vs lead. much harder metal.

perhaps in 9mm then.

[lyodbraun]

Ive found that all theTulammo Ive shot in my .45 , were loaded on the light side, and had very little recoil compared to top name brand 230gr .45ACP's I think the IIIA vest will stop it with no problem...

[CIBMike]

Ive found that all theTulammo Ive shot in my .45 , were loaded on the light side, and had very little recoil compared to top name brand 230gr .45ACP's I think the IIIA vest will stop it with no problem...

This post is a little off path but all the Tul ammo i have shot is very inconnsistent in power, it always goes bang but fluctuates in power alot.I use it for range ammo in my AR and often it isn't powerful enough to cycle the rifle properly.....i get lots of malfunction training out of it.

[rammerjammer]

No matter what I still wouldn't depend on Tula for self defense.

[rocky]

Doubt it will penetrate . Maybe tomorrow I will see if I have any and shoot a old ballistic panel I have.

[OPFOR]

Very unlikely that the mild steel in the core will have any appreciable effect on it defeating IIIA (or any) armor. NATO ball 9mm doesn't deform much when fired into body armor, and - though it is loaded fairly hot - it doesn't penetrate.

[Fisher10]

I might be wrong, but rifle caliber ammo from Wolf (Tula is pretty much identical) has a bi-metal jacket. They take very thin alternating layers of mild steel and copper and make a jacket for the lead core of the bullet. While it will spark when contacting a steel plate on the range, I seriously doubt it would aid in penetration through body armor. I assume the Russian made handgun caliber ammo is made the same way.

Really, I don't think the ATF would allow armor piercing handgun ammo to first be imported from Russia and then sold (as the cheapest option) at your local gun store.

[Cuda66]

I might be wrong, but rifle caliber ammo from Wolf (Tula is pretty much identical) has a bi-metal jacket. They take very thin alternating layers of mild steel and copper and make a jacket for the lead core of the bullet. While it will spark when contacting a steel plate on the range, I seriously doubt it would aid in penetration through body armor. I assume the Russian made handgun caliber ammo is made the same way.

Really, I don't think the ATF would allow armor piercing handgun ammo to first be imported from Russia and then sold (as the cheapest option) at your local gun store.

This is correct.

Unfortunately, too many people fall for the myth that it is steel cored, as opposed to having a mild steel jacket.

[barstoolguru]

it is not the material that will make the bullet penetrate but the olgive (shape of the bullet). Pointed rounds will go through where wide flatter rounds will be absorbed in the Kevlar
olgive.jpg

[OPFOR]

it is not the material that will make the bullet penetrate but the olgive (shape of the bullet). Pointed rounds will go through where wide flatter rounds will be absorbed in the Kevlar
olgive.jpg

This is only partly true. Actual Armor Piercing ammunition (where they are most common, in military rifle calibers) have the same exact shape as non-AP rounds. They are different in their internal construction, because the materials do, in fact, affect their penetrating capabilities.

ETA: Additionally, velocity has quite a bit to do with whether a handgun round will penetrate soft body armor, as do many other factors (including bullet materials) to greater and lesser degrees.

[Poseidon]

From what i read armor piercing ammo is usually lighter load with very high velocity. the core of the bullet is made out of dense metal Steel, tungsten or depleted uranium

[dukalmighty]

dense metal Steel, tungsten or depleted uranium

I'm pretty sure your not gonna find any depleted uranium in a pistol or even rifle round,tank round yes,Aircraft 30mm cannon type guns yes,. Billy Bobs 9mm hi point NO

[Poseidon]

DARPA made DU rifle and pistol rounds in 1960s but decided that it would be hard to clean up if used everyday GI. Us armed forces used .50 BMG flechette round when required. now its mostly raufoss mk 211.