I bought a few hundred round of Independence ammo in .45ACP 230gr FMJ. I usually buy PMC, or S&B. Figured I'd take a chance on this stuff. I've never heard anything about it prior to shooting it. However, I was left rather disappointed. I put 100 rounds total through my Glock 30 and M&P45. The recoil felt almost like a 9mm. I had my G19 out with me and really the difference was very little between the S&B 9mm I was shooting and the Independence .45 I was shooting. At one point my G30 did experience a malfunction. I shrugged it off and noticed from shot to shot the recoil was different. A few shots I could almost feel the slide come back very slowly, like the slide velocity was slow. I picked up my M&P45 and felt the exact same thing. Inconsistent recoil feel, and some shots the slide felt like it moved just enough to chamber the next round. A few I thought were squibs. The shells were ejecting maybe a foot away.
Unfortunately, I still have 350 rounds of this stuff. Thinking about just pumping it out through my 1911 to get rid of it, because if my Glock or M&P malfunctions (even if it's due to something OTHER than the gun itself like mags or ammo), it makes me sad. If my 1911 malfunctions (and I know it'll be ammo related), I shrug it off as my 1911 is nothing more than a range gun. Though it it usually reliable, except with one specific mag.
Also had either a mag or human error malfunction in my AR. Tried to chamber a round from an open bolt when practicing reloads, I didn't seat the mag properly due to wearing gloves. But that's beside the point... I just had a bad range day.
But has anybody had any experience with Independence Ammo? It's loaded in CCI brass, however, I read that Federal is somehow involved. I've read reviews similar to my experience, some say it's overpowered, and some seem to have no problems at all. I had two separate guns experience the same problems with this stuff.... Even though it's practice ammo, I will say, that I'll likely never purchase it again. I've had one bad primer with PMC, but otherwise it's been perfect. Never a problem with S&B. Independence just seems too inconsistent. It also seem very dirty. There would be a very dirty patch on the brass, as it the case wasn't expanding properly.
I'm going to head back to the range tomorrow with S&B to try and ease my mind about my G30 and M&P45 running poorly. Though I still trust them as defensive guns, as it was the fault of the ammo, I don't like to end on a bad note :)
This is the only brand of ammo that ever jammed in my XD9. I still have a box,probably will never use it.
I've shot Independence ammo in .45 and it seemed OK. As I recall, the box list a Lewiston, ID, address and I was told CCI made it. A quick search on the web has it that Independence was once made by CBC (Magtech) in Brazil, but I think that would be required to be listed on the box. CCI and Federal are both owned by a defense conglomerate called ATK.
ATK - Security and Sporting Group
My guess, and I can only guess, is it's an off-brand for ATK made by CCI. Only a guess.
I've shot Indy .45 ACP ammo on two occasions without issues (in my G30). I didn't expect +p performance from a range ammo. Then again, I haven't had my wrists recoil-calibrated lately.
:wink: I'm not expecting +P performance either. However, I would prefer if my practice ammo was reliable enough to get through a range visit without issues.
Originally Posted by OldVet
Maybe I just got a bad batch.
Does anyone use or have purchased Freedom ammo ? Ammunition Online at Factory Direct Prices | Freedom Munitions | Handgun Ammo & Rifle Ammo I have been looking in their site and seem to have some cheap 5.56
since the prices are pretty good, just wondered if anyone has used their stuff.
That's possible. I once had a box of WWB that caused me all sorts of heartache. Pitched it, got some more and never had a problem after that. Even the best ammo makers turn out a few lemons every once in while.
Originally Posted by RKM
Actually I've been through a few boxes of "Independence" ammo and it was indeed 45ACP (blue, white, black box?). I've never had a problem out of it through the Glocks or the SIG. It is however all gone now......I think.
I have been getting Independence 9mm recently. It has not been the best for me either. It has been very dirty and very inconsistent. Even from a rest it can be hard to get decent groupings with it. Can really notice differences in strength of the charge from round to round. I don't plan on buying anymore of it though, just not happy with it even though it is cheap.
I put some through my 1911. I felt the same thing. Recoil just felt really weird and weak. Took some S&B ammo with me too. Nice, strong and consistent through all of my .45's. No more Independence for me.