This is a discussion on SHTF: 22LR vs .223 within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; 20k of .22, and 15k of 9 and 40? Dude. How much debt have you accrued building up this doomsday arsenal? Just wow....
20k of .22, and 15k of 9 and 40? Dude. How much debt have you accrued building up this doomsday arsenal? Just wow.
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If the Union is once severed, the line of separation will grow wider and wider, and the controversies which are now debated and settled in the halls of legislation will then be tried in fields of battle and determined by the sword.
I could have bought 10 oz's of gold but what would I do with it in a SHTF senario? I'm set with food and ammo to barter with others. I'll trade you an oz of gold for a $20 bucket of rice. That's the advantage of being prepared. There are so many things that we use daily, why not stock up in advance if you can. I'm getting a few 55 gallon drums of fuel delivered to my house. I'm not a fan of my I independence relying on OPEC. If gas goes up over $10 a gallon overnight at least I'll have a reserve to prepare for what else will follow.
I know I will shoot those 13,000 rounds of FMJ. I got them shipped for less than $12 for a box of 50, why not buy in bulk now? Do you see ammo prices dropping drastically soon?
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I'm a big history buff, so I will definitely check out the suggested reading.
"... advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." -J.R.R. Tolkien
I will say this, I wish I bought a bunch more bricks of .22 back when I could get them for $9.99. Two kids and I are ripping through a heckuva lot of it.
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If we compare the economy to a cargo ship, the original hull has either rusted away or been sold for scrap. All that's left is an oversize, vaguely boat shape, pile of bubble gum and bandaids. Even the baling wire has been scrapped. There is nothing to give the economy any strength any more. It's all gone. We float only due to the frantic bailing of the movers and shakers in the economy. The ship will go down, fast and hard, when they lose control.
Gold and silver are for the recovery after the crash. Both are artificially low due to the false precious metals on paper, "futures", telling the market that there's, who knows? A thousand times as much as there really is? Silver is a bargain if the post crash world has advanced tech, silver is just too useful as an industrial metal and it's value should go up quite a bit. Gold, not posed to gain as much if tech recovers, it might be a little better than silver if tech does not recover. Get both, just in case.
Anything physical of value can be taken from you by bandits or politicians. Good luck trying to find something safe to invest in. Enough diversity should get /something/ through, though. Quality of life is going to stink between now and then. (We might see as much damage and exploitation as the Confederacy suffered during and after the Civil War, and that took over a hundred years to heal.)
Disregarding whether or not the world around you would dissolve into total anarchy, the .22 is considerably underpowered for SD work compared to the .223. While it's easy to shoot and plentiful, an AR shooting .223 or 5.56 is really not that bad either. As others have probably mentioned, parts and ammunition are plentiful, and while a .223 would destroy a squirrel beyond use; your primary stated purpose was self defense, in which case I'd rather pack an AR than a 10/22.
25,000 rounds at $0.04 works out to be a thousand dollars. A thousand dollars at $0.40/round of .223 is still 2500 rounds of ammunition, which isn't so heavy you couldn't pack it if needed. It's also plenty to see you through a brief period of unrest. If you're standing around in a prolonged gun-fight, I think things are already about as bad as it can get. Having 22,500 rounds more of .22lr than .223 isn't going to make a difference at that point.
I may not have the experience most of the people here have...but in terms of self defense, which I'm assuming means anti-personnel, I'd just rather have a firearm and round that was meant for that purpose.
edit> Also, while I know every persons situation varies and it's easier said then done: If you had that much money to spend on prepping for the end days in California, you could have gotten OUT of California and been in a place where your population is less dense, with more game, and of course less gun control. If you're in broke-ass California but making the kind of money to build up like this, you probably have a job and career field you could easily replicate elsewhere. Not trying to preach, but the odds are already heavily against you in California - if I was -truly- worried and planning for a SHTF scenario, step 1 would be to not be living in California when it happened.
If you're planning on shooting those at people in this SHTF scenario, I can't imagine being able to fire 300 rounds without taking some yourself (assuming you'd only be firing at armed targets), let alone 25,000 rounds. Maybe if you're preparing for a zombie attack where they won't be shooting back at you (complete fantasy).
In all reality at a minimum the 10/22 will be great fun with my son. As I said, I feel soon many of you mocking me will regreat not stocking up on food/ammo while it was cheap and plentifully. To each thier own. I don't feel my ammo stores are wasted money.
After expending all those rounds in defense, what are you going to do with all those bodies and wounded? Has anyone ever thought of that. The smell would be terrible.
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Most likely it won't get that bad, (I hope). If it does I have some sort of plan and provisions. Most will say, I never thought this would happen, followed by I wish I had prepared.
If you need more than 200 rounds to resolve an issue, better have them used by friends who can shoot.
Ammo usage comes up off and on in survival groups and use-net "alt.survival" and "misc.survivalism". The two use-net groups can be searched with Google. Consensus usually boils down to 200 to 300 cartridges being the outside maximum you'll be able to use in a single firefight you have a chance to survive (ignoring full auto weapons), and that usually assumes a defensible position, like the home bunker.
People usually start talking about military load out, but there are several factors there that most of us are not effected by. Full auto firearms, team mates to cover your back, supposed to go out and look for trouble, young men is excellent health, etc.
Any who wants to delve further into how much of what to have on hand, should go over to:
SURVIVING IN ARGENTINA
Fernando (FerFAL) is an Argentinian who was there for the 2001 collapse. His early writing is excellent (even if the English is a bit fractured), and the more recent looks good. There for a while, he was lured into talking too much, beyond what he could say for sure. He describes, among other things, how family members would be kidnapped and tortured in front of a sealed home to get the family to agree to open the doors so the bandits could come inside and torture and kill the rest of the family. Really worth reading and thinking about if you have family.
He also has comments about how much ammo and which firearms to use for daily carry when/where a bandit might target you for no more than the gun at your waist.