SHTF: 22LR vs .223
This is a discussion on SHTF: 22LR vs .223 within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Hopyard
And what makes you assume the road will be passable, that you won't be stopped by armed looters along the way. ...
October 25th, 2012 10:31 AM
Quoted for posterity. Hopyard for President.
Originally Posted by Hopyard
October 25th, 2012 11:05 AM
Preserved for posterity:
Could not have said it better myself. I'm almost done prepping. Adding a WASR 10/63 with 7000 rounds of 7.62x39. Will all of my preps gauarntee my survival? NO. Will I be glad a gathered them in a SHTF situation? YES. You folks that assume society will always function under rule of law can continue to live in your state of normalcy bias. Me, I will continue to prepare for my families survival and comfort. I have over 80 hours of training I'm signed up to with a local NRA/LEO instructor that has been with blackwater in Afganistan.
Originally Posted by JayTee
Those of you mocking me ask yourself this. If the power grid went down for one of many reasons and the supply chain along with water seased to flow how could you fare. It's great if you have training and skills but if you have no provisions you will have to steal and kill to provide for your family. DON'T come to my house.
December 26th, 2012 09:05 AM
Well my 2 cents...
Knowing what little I know, and being as uninformed as I am, I would leave your current location as soon as possible to avoid loss of stuff. Strange how we people go into the internet, where we totally lay out our plans, stuff, and privacy and allow the powers that have the power, to follow our trail. I have been on websites that told me where (town) I was, and what my provider name is. If simple websites can do that, imagine what those intent on your demise in a SHTF, have and will be doing? I believe that privacy and internet are impossible. Every site, every word every thing we do, is monitored and watched.
So if you are really concerned get to somewhere, and don't tell anyone. Of course if you feel the need to seek advice off the internet, get a throw-away smart phone from a carrier and get your info, and toss the phone.
Personally, I think that right now someone has found your name, address, and entered it into their database as a target to acquire at the SHTF time.
Originally Posted by GetSmith
February 7th, 2013 12:56 AM
I'd opt for the 22lr simply for the fact that, like the Mosin, I can buy a few cheap, lots of ammo and arm a small army if need be. For the price of a good AR, I could buy 3 Ruger 10/22s and a few thousand rounds for the whole household and then an extra for back-up or a buddy to pick up. And, as stated before, ammo is a great barter tool and I would find it easier to trade off a few 22lr when I have thousands instead of .223 that I have much less of. As for defensive abilities, sure the AR has more power and range, but I don't plan to travel alone much in a SHTF situation...there will always be a volley of 2 or 3 Rugers, which can be very lethal and/or very persuasive.
February 7th, 2013 03:20 AM
Yeah I do. I dont need 1200 lbs of food because I can kill my own, know how to preserve meat without refrigeration, have lived with electricity before it was run thru here. I can actually build a fire in the rain too.
Originally Posted by Hopyard
I can put down as many deer with a 22 as I can a 223. Do it with a bow too. If I want to reach out and touch a BG I can do it a lot farther with a 243 than I can a 223.
Ive seen FEMA in action. If it wasnt for volunteer groups getting on the ground with water food and other staples a lot of folks would have died long before FEMA got there. And when the did they made a mess of what was already a organized supply chain of donated things that only needed them to continue the supplies. I got FEMA s number from expierence.
If I have to bug out and Im an old geeze so im not going to be humping some 200 lb pack you bet itll be on a horses back.
And where I and my family goes nobody is gonna know and likely wouldnt want to be there anyway but we will do just fine there. Why because unlike a lot of younger folks we know how to live without needing the stuff we have now.
Wont be as comfortable and wont be flicking switches to get the lights on but we did it before all that came along out here in my lifetime. In fact my dad set the power poles thru here with guess what a team of horses.
I dont plan on fighting armed trained soliders. If we are in that shape theyll be busy enough fighting off every other sand pile country that wants to destroy us to worry about lil old me.
The occasional robbers looters whatever if they found us? Well dont guess id have to play nearly as fair with BGs after a national collapse as I do now now would I?
So maybe Hop figures if everything collapses he wont live long enough to shoot up a 50 pack of 22s. I figure ill live out the rest of my natural life pretty well.
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