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    SHTF: 22LR vs .223

    What's your opinion on the effectiveness of .22LR vs .223 for a suburban environment in a SHTF senario? I just picked up a Rugar 10/22 with 25,000 rounds of ammo. My reasons for going with the .22:

    Cost, .22 LR .04 cents per round/.223 about .40 cents a round.

    Weight, in a bug out situation I could carry much more .22LR in my BOG.

    Easy to shoot, this will be the fallback for my wife to protect herself and the kids if I go down. I have six 25 round mags and will take her to the range soon.

    If sooting indoors or in a urban environment the overpenatration of .223 would be fearsome.

    These were just a few reasons I choose the 10/22.

    I also have 2 mossberg 12 gauge with 3000 rounds "00" buck. 9mm/40 cal 18,000 rounds, 4000 rounds of .357 mag with S&W 686 and Marlin 1894.

    Of course the real answer to my question is have both platforms available to shoot. I really want a mini 14 with 10,000 rounds but my first safe is full and I've put close to $20,000 in guns an ammo in it over the last 2 months. Better to spend my dollars while they still have worth. If time permits I will add the mini 14. Just curious if you would feel comfortable with a 10/22 in a SHTF seniaro.
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    Its a Ruger, not rugar.
    Holy cow 25,000 rounds!?!! Geez, I'd say your all in.
    I do like the 10/22 as a SHTF rifle too though.
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    I hate to give the easy answer but it is accurate. I need both...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GetSmith View Post
    What's your opinion on the effectiveness of .22LR vs .223 for a suburban environment in a SHTF senario? I just picked up a Rugar 10/22 with 25,000 rounds of ammo. My reasons for going with the .22:

    Cost, .22 LR .04 cents per round/.223 about .40 cents a round.

    Weight, in a bug out situation I could carry much more .22LR in my BOG.

    Easy to shoot, this will be the fallback for my wife to protect herself and the kids if I go down. I have six 25 round mags and will take her to the range soon.

    If sooting indoors or in a urban environment the overpenatration of .223 would be fearsome.

    These were just a few reasons I choose the 10/22.

    I also have 2 mossberg 12 gauge with 3000 rounds "00" buck. 9mm/40 cal 18,000 rounds, 4000 rounds of .357 mag with S&W 686 and Marlin 1894.

    Of course the real answer to my question is have both platforms available to shoot. I really want a mini 14 with 10,000 rounds but my first safe is full and I've put close to $20,000 in guns an ammo in it over the last 2 months. Better to spend my dollars while they still have worth. If time permits I will add the mini 14. Just curious if you would feel comfortable with a 10/22 in a SHTF seniaro.
    Enjoy what you have, but really, a suburban SHTF situation??? Watching too much fantasy.
    And even in a real situation, how long do you think you really would last? Not long enough to use your 25K I suspect.

    Your short longevity won't be due to poor caliber choice, either. Just to chaos in an overly armed environment.
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    You have $20k worth of weapons and ammo in your home and you are asking if a 10/22 would be a good option for SHTF scenarios? I'd have to say that it would really amount the specific application, as opposed to the generic 'SHTF' as a general situation.

    I'd say that a .22 has its place but I don't think it would be my 'go to' weapon for home defense, even for a 'gun for the wife and kids' type of situation, unless it was my only option. Sure they are great for small game, range fun and in a pinch could be used for self defense, but your shotty would serve most defensive situations much better than a .22 would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GetSmith View Post
    What's your opinion on the effectiveness of .22LR vs .223 for a suburban environment in a SHTF senario? I just picked up a Rugar 10/22 with 25,000 rounds of ammo. My reasons for going with the .22:

    Cost, .22 LR .04 cents per round/.223 about .40 cents a round. It is most definitely cheaper.

    Weight, in a bug out situation I could carry much more .22LR in my BOG. Yes, also lighter.

    Easy to shoot, this will be the fallback for my wife to protect herself and the kids if I go down. I have six 25 round mags and will take her to the range soon. .223 has VERY little recoil. More than a .22LR yes, but compared to almost any high powered rifles, it has very, very light recoil. A women and children could easily handle it.

    If sooting indoors or in a urban environment the overpenatration of .223 would be fearsome. Common misconception. The .223 actually has very poor penetration capabilities with typical ammo. You'll likely need to buy special ammo designed for barrier penetration. The .223 will have less penetration through barrier than some handguns rounds. Now you use a round designed for penetration, you will see what some consider "over" penetration. There are some many options available in .223 for various different purposes. It will make your head hurt just reading about them.

    These were just a few reasons I choose the 10/22.

    I also have 2 mossberg 12 gauge with 3000 rounds "00" buck. 9mm/40 cal 18,000 rounds, 4000 rounds of .357 mag with S&W 686 and Marlin 1894.

    Of course the real answer to my question is have both platforms available to shoot. I really want a mini 14 with 10,000 rounds but my first safe is full and I've put close to $20,000 in guns an ammo in it over the last 2 months. Better to spend my dollars while they still have worth. If time permits I will add the mini 14. Just curious if you would feel comfortable with a 10/22 in a SHTF seniaro.
    My answers in red.

    The .22 is a very useful tool. It works great as a bare minimum. The .22 especially a semi-atuo .22 is not nearly as reliable as a centerfire firearm. It's good as a last resort, but if you're going to be planning on using it as a primary weapon, I'd think otherwise, personally. A .22 will work for small game and even against bad two legged creatures. But I'd much prefer a high powered rifle for serious, primary defensive use.

    I have a 10/22 and I use it basically as a plinking toy. That wouldn't stop me from using it if something were to happen to my other weapon choices or they weren't available at the time.

    Just my opinions of course.

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    everyone should have a .223 rifle, a .22 rifle, a 7.62x 39 rifle, a scoped rifle in a long range caliber (30-06, .308, lupala, etc.), a 9mm, .40, .45 handgun, and a 12 gauge shotgun. those are the most commonly available rounds, and in a real shtf scenario you will be scavenging ammo more than you will be firing your "stockpile".

    now i don't have all this, but if i was realistically preparing for an apocalypse (which i'm not) that is what i would do.
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    .22 is a fine game-getter and (if silenced) a close-in defensive or offensive weapon. It lacks punch, has little 'suppression' capability, and against hard targets is next to worthless. Having a mix in your BOB and arsenal is good, but if I only had one, it would not be a 10-22.

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    There are degrees of SHTF. Both would be useful, depending.

    But not having been through a SHTF situation beyond a few days ...

    • If just a temporary riot, crime, and/or civil breakdown deal, in a reasonably-functioning suburban/city type environment I'd think the .223 would be preferable.
    • But if in a true, long-term SHTF situation involving the complete breakdown of society in which energy, transportation, food production and everything else goes out the window (for years, like as not), then I personally would prefer a .22LR. It'll suffice for small-game hunting, it can stop an aggressor from a reasonable distance. It's slight cost could help ensure that thousands of rounds could be retained, and carried long distances if need be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fausty View Post
    everyone should have a .223 rifle, a .22 rifle, a 7.62x 39 rifle, a scoped rifle in a long range caliber (30-06, .308, lupala, etc.), a 9mm, .40, .45 handgun, and a 12 gauge shotgun. those are the most commonly available rounds, and in a real shtf scenario you will be scavenging ammo more than you will be firing your "stockpile".

    now i don't have all this, but if i was realistically preparing for an apocalypse (which i'm not) that is what i would do.
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    Do you have to pick just one or the other? With a handful of 10/22s and a pair of ARs in the armory, I'm bringing at least one of each. The number depends on how many people I've got with me and the mode of transportation.

    The .22 rimfire is a small-game getter inside of 75 yards, and an OK defensive tool. But if I have to "reach out and touch" some thing or someone, or there's a need to stop an aggressor right now, the AR is the tool (of those two) that I want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
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    i have two kids and a wife to help.
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    Wow, $20K in guns and ammo in 2months. Did you win the lottery somewhere?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GetSmith View Post
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    Just a thought ...

    Might be worth considering to direct some of the funds toward one obvious alternative: getting out of "Dodge" (California) while the gettin' is good, depending on your time horizon. Translation: getting your guns away before the grabbers make many (most?) of them useless or criminal to possess.
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