How many ?
How many ?
The best shot placement for a bear, from any gun...... is in the air, and hope it turns around
Some years ago I was returning from a trip to Alaska and spotted a black bear eating grass in the ditch by the road. I have air horns on the top of my truck and for the fun of it I stopped. I hit the horn which is very loud the bear didn't even look up. I was only 25' or so away. I wouldn't rely on a noise maker to scare a bear away.
Most western bear country guides I have seen carry a shotgun loaded with slugs or a rifle chambered in 338 Win mag at the least. I guess the 454 Casull round wast developed as a bear too/
I've never advocated a 9mm for hunting bear. As I've noted earlier in this thread, I've done quite a bit of bear hunting so I am not sure why you'd take that away from anything that I've said.
On the other hand, if a 9mm (or a .40, or a .357, or a .45) is all you have, it is best to know what the load in your gun can do in soft tissue and select accordingly- that's why I ran the numbers as I did through the Schwartz bullet penetration model. I thought that it was a pretty simply concept.
Feign obtuseness all you want. I ain't buying that you don't "get it". :wink:
How many bears can dance on the head of a pin?
Caliber wars on bears, just as on hypothetical humans, are discouraged...............
For Bear, Elk, Moose, Zombies, and yes, even Leprechauns........................Quote:
9. ........................We also discourage "caliber war" threads and strongly encourage you not to post a thread starting one. Regardless of your level of experience, caliber is a personal preference and what is right for you may not be right for others.
If there was an 'ignore' button on this forum, I would have put you as the first one on mine. Feigning being clueless as to what's said all you want.
You were stating "it's all soft tissue" , and the implication to me was that you were saying a 9mm would do as good of a job on a bear, as it would a human. I don't want people going out thinking they are OK ..... due to a statement like that, when they wouldn't be.
There certainly is an "Ignore" Function: Click on their Name, then View Profile, and it is the fourth option down Add to Ignore List. :scratchchin: That might solve my problems too. :wink:
I almost hit a bear load riding my quad in the forest behind my shop today.
I'll stand by all that I've said too, and I didn't have to misrepresent anything said by anyone else to make my point.
There is nothing of value to be gained by arguing with you further.
I'm not a bear hunter myself but have a relative who has killed more than most people have read about. His choice for what it is worth is a good ole 12ga. slug.
The thing about bears is they are often hard to kill. Hard bones, thick hide and fat - and FAST! but a perfect shot can kill one quick. IT just takes one hell of a man to execute a perfect shot on charging bear. Seems the extra weight in the rear of the pants has a dramatic effect on accuracy. But i always love these "what caliber is best for bear" etc... threads. Let's face it - if one is after you, anything is better than nothing, and a cannon ain't enough.
And with that, I believe the OP has had the question answered.Quote:
anything is better than nothing, and a cannon ain't enough.