9mm "ball" round

9mm "ball" round

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    9mm "ball" round

    I have all but decided to go with a 9mm for conceal and carry. I read an article somewhere about how 9mm jhp were less effective because the hollowpoint was known to collect whatever fabrics the intented target happen to be wearing, and when impacting will not expand.

    I am wondering if anyone has had experience with this and if the 9mm ball round will remedy this situation.

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    I think you are a bit misinformed.

    A HP when fired into barriers, drywall and so on, does have a tendency to fill the HP with whatever materials it hits and can act in a similar manner to a FMJ round this was one of the reasons/theories used for entry teams switching to/justifying the 5.56 round inside buildings. The super fast round when hitting a solid object tended to fragment and not penetrate the object.

    Any HP round if forced to go through several layers of jackets, shirts and so on will begin to expand as it hits the soft fabric and can/will take some of the material with it into the wound cavity. For many years this is why many police departments and civilian carriers either switched to or supplemented with FMJ or soft point rounds in the winter months to give better penetration of heavy jackets or multiple layers of clothing. Such started the practice of stacking mags, loading a combo of HP, SP and/or ball ammo in the same mag.

    Today with modern bullet design this is not really needed. Ball ammo is touted by many as ineffective and many more have worries of shooting through the target, to each his own. I am restricted to ball ammo as is the military however I do not feel under gunned or consider it ineffective.

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    Great advice. You definately cleared up some of my misinformation. I see you are relegated to using the ball round, but I'd be interested in knowing what your preferred round would be for a 9mm.

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    Yep, what Tacman Said. And ball ammo will almost certainly never expand, so load up with you JHP and forget about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedimitrius View Post
    I have all but decided to go with a 9mm for conceal and carry. I read an article somewhere about how 9mm jhp were less effective because the hollowpoint was known to collect whatever fabrics the intented target happen to be wearing, and when impacting will not expand.
    Recent manufacture premium JHP ammunition is designed to minimize this issue. Stick with a high-quality JHP from Federal, Winchester, Remington, Hornady, etc.

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    I am wondering if anyone has had experience with this and if the 9mm ball round will remedy this situation.

    Thanks!
    FMJs will not remedy the situation and will, in fact, produce tremendous penetration in human targets.

    According to the Schwartz bullet penetration equations, a 9mm 115gr FMJRN @ 1155fps will penetrate to depth of 26.3 inches, a 9mm 124gr FMJRN @ 1120fps will penetrate to a depth of 27.9 inches, and a 9mm 147gr FMJFN @ 1000fps will penetrate to a depth of 32.1 inches- and all of these options will tend to pass through a human body with very little soft tissue damage. This not desirable performance for self-defense ammunition.
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    In regards to the article you read do you know the time frame in which it was written?

    Federal HST, Winchester Ranger T/PDX1, Speer, Remington Golden Saber are all quality top of the line JHP ammunition and you really can't go wrong with those mentioned. Don't put trash in your gun because it isn't a dumpster.

    Also do your own research on the brands mentioned to see which one or ones will best suit your needs and more importantly feed properly into your gun.

    Here are some links to get you started.
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    Hp 9mm round not effective. Ive yet to find a volunteer for testing to stand down range a catch a few rounds to see how they do.

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    The possibility of a HP plugging up in any caliber exists. Then you have an effective FMJ. So essentially you are faced with a HP that may not expand versus a FMJ that will not expand. Tha caliber is irrelevent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sixgun View Post
    Hp 9mm round not effective. Ive yet to find a volunteer for testing to stand down range a catch a few rounds to see how they do.
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    Go with HP's. If they do their job and expand, great! If not, you're no worse off than if you had used FMJ's in the first place.
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