Glaser safety slugs

Glaser safety slugs

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    Glaser safety slugs

    Got some for my Ruger P90 .45 ACP and my Glock 27 as a Christmas present.


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    Trade it in and get something which meets FBI standards. Refer to the link below for more details:

    Frangible ammunition and its efficacy for duty/self-defense use - M4Carbine.net Forums
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    dear afojc: i suspect that you will get many posters who disagree with you. many of these folks will cite the FBI protocols, especially the penetration requirements.

    first: the FBI's record on choosing ammunition and firearms has many failures. this does not make their current protocols wrong, but they have often been wrong in the past. remember, their requirements are THEORETICAL decisions on how much penetration, and through what types of barriers, should/must be met by their duty ammo.

    second: we are not FBI agents, and our requirements are different.

    third: if you live in an apartment building, or are concerned about shots (hits and misses) penetrating walls and hitting innocents, then Glasers are an excellent choice.

    fourth: Glasers bullets are typically much lighter in weight than standard-for-caliber bullet weights, and their recoil impulse is different. make certain that they will feed, fire, and cycle your weapons before trusting them. i know this can be a problen when they cost so much, but do some testing at least.

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    Glaser's are a nice gesture. Now go out and get something that will actually penetrate.
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    Not sure about the new ones, but the ones I have are flat front. I've never tried them in a semiauto, but my Charter 44spl has them as the first load, followed by two speed loaders with HPs.

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    Have had them in years past (1980's) very expensive and now with U-Tube and Box-O-Truth (which I cannot get to now) there are lots of rounds that work much better in test mediums than Glaser's. I currently use Winchester Ranger T's in 127GR +P+ as my carry ammo. There are others out there that can perform to the latest FBI Stats. Good luck with what you carry but at more than $1 per round Glaser's do not work for me.
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    At 600 ft lbs in a .38 super, that works for me (OK 585 or thereabouts) recoil is very manageable, they cycle just fine in the Kimber and I've only met one FBI agent that I'd trust and he was a bomb tech and certifiable. But, to each his own.

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    Normally I carry FTPs or Critical Defense rounds, however one of my "children" gave me the Glasers so I told him I would use them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensei2 View Post
    dear afojc: i suspect that you will get many posters who disagree with you. many of these folks will cite the FBI protocols, especially the penetration requirements.

    first: the FBI's record on choosing ammunition and firearms has many failures. this does not make their current protocols wrong, but they have often been wrong in the past. remember, their requirements are THEORETICAL decisions on how much penetration, and through what types of barriers, should/must be met by their duty ammo.

    second: we are not FBI agents, and our requirements are different.

    third: if you live in an apartment building, or are concerned about shots (hits and misses) penetrating walls and hitting innocents, then Glasers are an excellent choice.

    fourth: Glasers bullets are typically much lighter in weight than standard-for-caliber bullet weights, and their recoil impulse is different. make certain that they will feed, fire, and cycle your weapons before trusting them. i know this can be a problen when they cost so much, but do some testing at least.
    Well said. This type of ammo does have a purpose. And as far as the link posted above from m4carbine, the info there doesn't mention glasers at all and specifically references TRAINING FRANGIBLE ammunition which is quite different than glaser's or magsafe ammo. I think having the first one or two rounds of glaser ammo followed by quality hollow points can be a good strategy for some people in certain situations. My preference in glaser would be the silver flavor instead of the blue. The silver has larger pellets and penetrate more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by afojc View Post
    Got some for my Ruger P90 .45 ACP and my Glock 27 as a Christmas present.
    Get rid of them. Imagine hitting a perps belt buckle? Won't take him down. They will go through drywall like a FMJ. They penetrate refrigerators thin sheet metal and soft body armor as FMJS. They need thick metal or concrete to brak part.

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    A wide range of opinions here, as I expected. A quick look at Box-O-Truth showed only a couple of references to Glasers, and they were not full tests, but in all cases, penetration was limited - except when they fired a 38 special into dry wall. Penetrated 6 dry wall boards, which means 3 sets of walls. Other rounds were going through twice that much. So, the Glaser round appears to have less penetration in walls, but hardly negligible. Combined with the high velocity, light weight, and limited penetration in water or gelatin, makes me not consider them for any self defense purposes. I just don't know where they would offer an advantage over a quality, modern, self defense round.

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