Head Stamp ?

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    Head Stamp ?

    I'll usually end up with some 9mm brass when I'm trying to retrieve my .380
    and sort it out at home.

    Today I was sorting and found some with the head stamp marked WCC and
    the number 12. Measured them out of curiosity ... L .743" D .390".

    Okay ... 9mm Luger according to Lee's book is ... L .754" D .391" with a slight
    taper to .381" at the front.

    So ... anyone familiar with a 12 WCC head stamp ? Winchester Cartridge Co maybe ?
    Shoot these in a 9 ?

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    Winchester brass. The length converts to a hair under 19mm, possibly the "trim to" length, too long to be .380 brass. It wouldn't be tapered if fired until resized.
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    Winchester Cartridge Company,I believe the 12 is year of manufacture 2012,very likely military surplus,bet it has a crimped in primer
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    Thanks.
    I have no use for 9 mm so won't be attempting to decap it.
    Just thought it strange to be stamped 12 and no other designation,
    wondered what the heck is it ?

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    WCC 12 means Winchester Cartridge Company 2012.

    It is 9mm NATO (military) ammo. The symbol that looks like cross hairs is the NATO symbol.

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    No cross in a circle mentioned....

    WCC 12 is definitely Winchester Cartridge Company 12. If it wasn't marked 9mm I would suspect military as well. Did it have the NATO cross on it?

    Looks like this http://www.frfrogspad.com/natocase.jpg

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    Could it be 9mmMak ? Or 8x18? DR

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    Should have taken a pic, senior moment ?

    0814.JPG

    NATO.JPG

    Hmm, don't look like a cross to me ?
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    Clearly the NATO Cross, inside a circle to look like crosshairs. It's 9x19 NATO.
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    The crimp is enough to say NATO round. Good brass--once you deprime and remove the crimp.
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    Now the more I look at it ... it does look like a cross ... thanks, question answered.
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    While we are on the subject, can NATO ammo be used in a 9mm LUGER?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAWKEYE50 View Post
    While we are on the subject, can NATO ammo be used in a 9mm LUGER?
    For the most part, yes.

    Depends on the pistol, mainly--a good quality pistol--S&W, Ruger, Glock, Springfield, HK, Sig et al...no problem.

    Some Saturday night special Jennings (or whatever)...probably not.
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    If it is a LUGER is chambered in 9mm Luger.....then it is the same as 9mm NATO/9mm Parabellum/9mm Luger/9x19mm.....they're all the same size. I wouldn't shoot NATO ammo in a 9mm that was old/cheap/crappy. It is slightly higher pressure than the normal stuff. I think they made some Lugers chambered in different calibers too....I'm not a C&R expert by any means. But I know what "9mm" means.

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    My 9mm that I was asking about, is my XDm 5.25. Good Right?

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