This is a discussion on Head Stamp ? within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I'll usually end up with some 9mm brass when I'm trying to retrieve my .380 and sort it out at home. Today I was sorting ...
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I'll usually end up with some 9mm brass when I'm trying to retrieve my .380
and sort it out at home.
Today I was sorting and found some with the head stamp marked WCC and
the number 12. Measured them out of curiosity ... L .743" D .390".
Okay ... 9mm Luger according to Lee's book is ... L .754" D .391" with a slight
taper to .381" at the front.
So ... anyone familiar with a 12 WCC head stamp ? Winchester Cartridge Co maybe ?
Shoot these in a 9 ?
Winchester brass. The length converts to a hair under 19mm, possibly the "trim to" length, too long to be .380 brass. It wouldn't be tapered if fired until resized.
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Winchester Cartridge Company,I believe the 12 is year of manufacture 2012,very likely military surplus,bet it has a crimped in primer
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Thanks.
I have no use for 9 mm so won't be attempting to decap it.
Just thought it strange to be stamped 12 and no other designation,
wondered what the heck is it ?
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WCC 12 means Winchester Cartridge Company 2012.
It is 9mm NATO (military) ammo. The symbol that looks like cross hairs is the NATO symbol.
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No cross in a circle mentioned....
WCC 12 is definitely Winchester Cartridge Company 12. If it wasn't marked 9mm I would suspect military as well. Did it have the NATO cross on it?
Looks like this http://www.frfrogspad.com/natocase.jpg
Austin
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Could it be 9mmMak ? Or 8x18? DR
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"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him, better take a closer look at the American Indian."
To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target.
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Clearly the NATO Cross, inside a circle to look like crosshairs. It's 9x19 NATO.
The crimp is enough to say NATO round. Good brass--once you deprime and remove the crimp.
Paranoia strikes deep, into your heart it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid... "For What It's Worth" Buffalo Springfield
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Now the more I look at it ... it does look like a cross ... thanks, question answered.
"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him, better take a closer look at the American Indian."
To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target.
A sense of humor is a major defense against minor trouble.
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While we are on the subject, can NATO ammo be used in a 9mm LUGER?
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For the most part, yes.Originally Posted by HAWKEYE50
Depends on the pistol, mainly--a good quality pistol--S&W, Ruger, Glock, Springfield, HK, Sig et al...no problem.
Some Saturday night special Jennings (or whatever)...probably not.
There are no dangerous weapons; there are only dangerous men.--RAH
...man fights with his mind; the weapons are incidental.--Jeff Cooper
There is a reason they try and make small bullets act like big bullets--Glockmann10mm
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If it is a LUGER is chambered in 9mm Luger.....then it is the same as 9mm NATO/9mm Parabellum/9mm Luger/9x19mm.....they're all the same size. I wouldn't shoot NATO ammo in a 9mm that was old/cheap/crappy. It is slightly higher pressure than the normal stuff. I think they made some Lugers chambered in different calibers too....I'm not a C&R expert by any means. But I know what "9mm" means.
Austin
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My 9mm that I was asking about, is my XDm 5.25. Good Right?
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