Which calibers are most common for pistol/rifle/shotgun?
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January 6th, 2005 01:22 PM
One of these days Iím going to start reloading. Iíve been saving my brass for quite a while, so I have a good start on supplies.
The main reason I want fewer calibers is in case of any SHTF scenarios. I would rather be able to feed as many different weapons with the same ammo as possible.
January 6th, 2005 01:57 PM
I recommend a Dillon 650 or 550. There are other good machines out there but I was able to teach myself to reload with zero experience buy watching a Dillon video, reading a few reloading manuals, and following the owners setup manual. Some people recommend single stage for a first timer, but I am sure I would have given up after spending most of the day making ammo and only wing up with enough for a few minutes worth of shooting. A Dillon 650 will give you a few hundred rounds in an hour. Some people can do 500 to more than 600 in an hour but I prefer to work at a slow careful pace.
Most people say you won\'t save money by reloading, you will just shooting more because it is cheaper.
January 6th, 2005 02:06 PM
Sounds just as good as saving money to me. :)
Originally posted by silvercorvette
Most people say you won\'t save money by reloading, you will just shooting more because it is cheaper.
January 6th, 2005 03:32 PM
PS one of the reasons I am so pro Dillon is their no BS warrantee. If it breaks they fix it for free no questions asked. I have heard of them repairing a press that was destroyed in a fire for free, and an old rusted press with missing parts bought at a garage sale was fixed for free no questions asked. Dillon does this all the time.
January 10th, 2005 11:41 PM
I can't believe no one has mentioned .22 LR. That by far has to be the most popular rifle caliber in North America. Everyone has a .22. People who own no other guns have a .22 LR chambered rifle.
For the SHTF scenario, it would be immensely useful. You don't want to use your good ammo hunting for food, and if need be even a novice shooter could use a Ruger 10/22 with some effectiveness.
I'm not saying it's my first choice for defense, but it's immensely practical and useful.
Edit: Also wanted to add 7.62x39 must surely be the most popular rifle caliber in the world at large. If it's not, it's up there. Also, .45 ACP is practically unheard of outside the USA.
January 11th, 2005 10:24 AM
I think the way the question was posed the main concern is what would be most available if the SHTF. I am assuming the main concern is if the U.S of A. While other rounds such as the 7.62x39 may be more popular outside this country it really wouldnít matter unless there were some kind of outside invasion and we had to resort to picking up ammo from attackers. I would want one round that can be used both in rifles and handguns. I like the .45 ACP but a good argument can be made for 9mm because you can carry more rounds with the same weight penalty. If it is an outside invasion and you are running out of .45ACP then just pick up a fresh weapon from a defeated attacker. You make a good argument for the .22 but if you have to keep moving that would involve more weapons to carry around. Maybe a .22 semi auto pistol might be a better choice because you can carry 500 rounds for the same space and weight penalty of 50 rounds 0f .45ACP.
I guess it all depends on whether your plan is to dig in and stay in one spot. Or if you plan on bailing out, packing up all your stuff and heading for the hills.
January 22nd, 2005 11:21 PM
SHTF situation , better plan on 9mm, 12 guage, 5.56. All Mil. cartridges currently standard issue. Lots of mil. bases around and comercial sources.
January 23rd, 2005 12:36 AM
We will need to have a lengthy discussion about this. I am about to purchase a 650w/case feeder from B. Enos.
Originally Posted by silvercorvette
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January 23rd, 2005 02:34 AM
That is the setup I have I also recommend that you consider buying the quick primer change over kit if you switch from large primers to small primers often. It costs about $70 and it allows you to do the primer change over without taking to assembly apart. It is not really a must have but for $70 it saves time and makes life easier. I also load a lot of different calibers and I have tool heads with a different powder measure all set up for each caliber. It is expensive to do it that way but it cuts change over time to almost nothing. It is somewhat time consuming to get the powder measure set to the correct amount. So if you can just leave it set and change a second measure that is set for that load it is a big time saver. Even if your measure hasnít been touched since the last session always recheck to make sure.
Originally Posted by APachon
I had a better setup in my basement but had to move my press into the garage. Make sure your press is mounted on a good solid platform. Make sure it is solid on the up stroke. If it lifts up on the up stroke you will wind up with high primers.
I posted this on the 1911 forum a while back so instead of re-typeing the whole thing I just copied it from there and re-posted
I reinstalled my reloading press and took some pictures
that may be helpful to anyone that wants to setup a press but has limited space.
Here are some pictures of my reloading press setup. I had a small room set up in my basement set aside as my reloading room but unfortunately I had a water pipe leak in the basement and although it didn't get the press wet it made things messy. I had to take everything apart in the reloading room, I didn't want to go through the trouble of making a new reloading room because I want to move someplace warm soon. Fortunately my house has the space of a three-car garage. It consists of an oversize two-car garage that was added to the house that I use it to park my cars in. I also have the space of the one car garage that was part of the design of the original heated one car garage that the house was built with. I now use it as a workroom and to keep my snow blower, and lawn mower and assorted tools. I cleared away a small spot in my garage and bought a small table from Sears for $39.99 (less 10% if you have a Sears tool club card)Sears item #00922201000. I like it because it is adjustable for height in 2-inch increments. Plus you can rest a foot on the bottom cross bar for added stability. I set it to 28 inches, which should allow me to sit on a stool and reload comfortably. I'll have to load some rounds and see if I have the height set right.
I think this may be the quickest easiest way to get set up again. If anyone is tight for space this setup can be put up and broken down for storage when it isn't being used. I think that when I finally move to a new house I will continue with this set up.
The first picture shows the press with a stool next to it to give you an idea of how comfortable to use sitting on a stool
The second photo shows a picture of a 2X4 that I used as a wedge to add downward pressure to the bench and give added stability.
The third picture shows the method I used to add downward pressure to the board, by turning the adjusting nuts I can add as much force as I need to make it a solid platform. The Vicegrips shown in the picture aren't necessary but I added them because I had them in my toolbox and I figured it wouldn't hurt to have them there to prevent the assembly from jackknifing.
The forth picture just shows an extra board that I added to make sure the boards would rest on the ceiling beams and not push through the sheet rock.
If someone else is thinking of putting in a press but is putting off because they have limited space these pictures may be helpful.
Last edited by silvercorvette; January 23rd, 2005 at 03:18 AM.
January 23rd, 2005 08:59 AM
reloading is a good way to go. I have pistol and rifle reloading equip. Also shotgun. Like to custom my loads, and shoot lots of ammo thru the pistol as well. Also i have a few friends who have the same caliber pistols.
January 23rd, 2005 09:16 AM
I took those pictures over a year ago, I'll take some better pictures when I get a chance. No time for that for a while I have a couple feet of snow to attack with my snow blower.
February 11th, 2005 08:01 PM
JT Quote "One of these days Iím going to start reloading. Iíve been saving my brass for quite a while, so I have a good start on supplies."
Sounds like me...I've got 4 Kitty Litter tubs full of 9mm, and one full of .45s. I know Dillon is fine reloader, but I've been eyeballing the cheaper Lee Loadmaster for some time now...Anybody got comments on it other than you get what you pay for?
February 11th, 2005 08:47 PM
How did we get here from reloading? Anyway, I agree except I'd say that even in WESTOVERSHOE WYOMING, your gonna be able to find 45ACP. I also think one more rifle cal instead of or as a complement to the 5.56mm and that of course would be the 7.62x51 (NOT the 7.62X39!! Unless the UN comes a callin'!)
Originally Posted by rocky
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February 11th, 2005 11:13 PM
Agree with all the above. However one left out would be .22lr. Deadly accurate and lethal out of a rifle for headshots, and easy to acquire.
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February 17th, 2005 10:53 PM
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