DHS Brought 148 Million Rounds in 2012!
This is a discussion on DHS Brought 148 Million Rounds in 2012! within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Here is another article detailing the DHS procurement:
DHS Denies Massive Ammunition Purchase - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)
So during 2012 procurement year DHS actually purchased ...
March 22nd, 2013 10:44 PM
March 22nd, 2013 10:54 PM
At 100rds/week/person, that's over 28,000 people.
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March 22nd, 2013 11:05 PM
The last I checked they do quarterly quals. and if we use your 100 rounds that equals 370,000 persons! So some were between 28,000 and 370,000 persons? But the question is what is the annual US production of the major ammunition manufacturers?
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March 22nd, 2013 11:19 PM
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March 22nd, 2013 11:26 PM
You would think the current spending cuts would have affected this year's DHS purchasing. I guess not. Maybe thats why they bought those 2,700 APCs. To carry all that ammo in. Folks, this is just ridiculous. Our fed. gov't. is out of control.
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March 22nd, 2013 11:26 PM
Just look at the mobs in the streets in Cypruss......wait untill the US dollar isn't the world reserve currency any longer.....and how about M rap Armored Ambush Vehicles.
March 22nd, 2013 11:33 PM
Quals/tests @ 100rds per, plus ~a couple hundred rounds on hand for each sworn carrier, plus a few hundred training rounds a couple times per month, plus having inventories to cover periods of increase use and/or shortages ... wouldn't take long for ~30K sworn folks to result in 148M rounds. Unknown what their prior inventory levels were.
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March 23rd, 2013 09:50 AM
What about the fact that we're buying these people premium SD ammo at about $.50 per round when they could train with $.19 FMJ like the rest of us.
Don't give me any bs about a 124 gr. FMJ hitting paper any differently than a 124 gr. JHP.
March 23rd, 2013 10:45 AM
While there certainly could be more sinister motives for all of their recent purchases (ammo, select-fire rifles, armored personnel carriers, etc.), the massive purchase of ammunition could "simply" be another approach at gun control. What good are firearms if you are unable to feed them because of cost or availability. It's not a feasible long-term plan, but if it buys the anti-gunners a year to implement their new gun control initiatives (er, "Gun Safety" initiatives) then it was highly effective.
And really, that's not a huge leap if you consider "Fast and Furious" as a precursor to gun control.
March 23rd, 2013 10:53 AM
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March 23rd, 2013 11:10 AM
Seems to me this was all planned to create a shortage. My question is why anyone in congress has not tried to bring this to the oversight committee.
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March 23rd, 2013 12:20 PM
That article makes a compelling justification for the large purchase. I do not believe that the gov't is stocking up for the purpose civil action. That is a far stretch. But it is the job of the gov't to protect the people, and they would no doubt take action if compelled to do so.
The large purchases likely just came with the added benefit of "locking-up" the market. Then comes AWB talk and we have the perfect storm.
As with any storm, one must be prepared for it. People have supplies and food and gas if a hurricane is on the way; they prepare by boarding up windows, etc. - Liken this to the ammo-gun storms of 2008 and 2013. If you prepared for the possibility of a storm, them waiting it out is uncomfortable, but manageable. Simply shoot less, buy smart, and reload if you can (I don't yet). But if you didn't prepare, you are probably freaking out just like you would if you didn't prepare for a hurricane! I sympathize with you, but come on now!
Now the caveat is that the hurricane could be "the big one". We never know. I do not underestimate the idiocy of an uneducated an irrational public and the officials that represent their vote. - Stay vigilant and supply-up when it makes sense. ...you be the judge of "makes sense". Your preparedness for the storm and supply-on-hand will dictate this. ...but don't let this happen again. Think about it! Don't freak out now. Save your cash now and do not buy-high. Buy large, in-bulk once this passes and then immediately resume you old buy-as-you-go; you'll always have a good supply on hand. PREPAREDNESS.
March 23rd, 2013 12:24 PM
As of a year ago, DHS had something over 230,000 employees. Doesn't that make you feel nice & safe?
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Keep in mind, though, that for every active field agent, there are going to be 5 or 6 administrators, clerks, secretaries, IT staff, Diversity Training staff, janitors, maintenance staff, etc., etc., etc. The vast majority of DHS employees have roles that do not justify taxpayer funding of weapons. If they choose to carry them, they should pay for them themselves, just like the rest of us.
Of the DHS employees who DO have an operational need for a gun, I'd be willing to bet they're shooting closer to 100 rounds per year than per week.
Whether their huge ammo purchases are a deep, dark conspiracy or just typical government extravagance, they're a travesty.
Don't forget a third possibility: Those millions of rounds are worth millions upon millions of dollars. Want to bet whether a lot of it's finding its way onto the black market to make some DHS bureaucrats some cash on the side?
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March 24th, 2013 07:01 PM
+1 for stealth gun control. They wanted to tax ammo into obscurity via violence taxes that went no where. Your enemies are losing in direct fights. Triangulation is their game now. You want strong security? OK watch me corner the market on ammo. Yes they could use cheaper FMJ to train, but that wouldn't hurt as much.
Also a hat tip to all those legal eagles who stand-up for poor urban youth slain by police just as they were turning their life around. In the civil suits I'm sure not using the exact ammo opens the door for liability due to common gun ignorance of killing rounds.
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March 24th, 2013 07:12 PM
What most have missed is that hollow points are banned for international conflicts. They can be used on bases by LE MPs. Only other use would be practice (depending on discounting, might to really matter FMJ or hollow point at the quanities purchased) and use within the US. I'm not paniced, as I think it is a move to make hollow points less available while various legislative issues are determined. I just wonder if pro gun or anti gun benifits from this if there is some conspiracy to cause a shortage domestically since clearly these rounds can't be used for international conflicts.
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