38 Special ammo

38 Special ammo

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    38 Special ammo

    I am thinking of buying a 1911 in 38 Special for an EDC. What is holding me back is the excessive muzzle flash of this caliber. For anyone already using this caliber and familiar with it, what defensive round do you use? Do you know of any with reduced muzzle flash? FYI, I am partial to Gold Dots.

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    There is a 1911 chambered in 38 Special? I only knew of the 38 Super.

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    .38 spl has excessive muzzle flash?



    Coonan does make a 1911 for .357. Is that what you're referring to?
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    Sure you aren't talking about 38 Super?
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    If you are not familiar with the caliber do not buy the gun. 38 super was introduced in the Bonnie and Clyde days to provide law enforcement with better fire power to keep up with the guns the criminals were using. Today I have only seen it used in shooting competitions. Honestly, any caliber from 9mm to .45 with the proper ammo selection will do the job. All of these calibers have brands that meet or exceed the FBI protocols and whether a 9mm or .45 hits the brain or spinal column, the results will be the same. If either misses the results will also be the same. Remember that we are talking fractions of an inch in bullet size and grams in weight. Handguns are poor stoppers as I learned in NAM. If the guy you shoot is not psychologically pre-disposed to stop when shot, he will be able to reach you before he bleeds out no matter if the hole was caused by a .45 or 9mm. On the other hand a shot to the brain with either caliber will stop him in his tracks.

    I see police agencies go from 9 to .40 to 9 again and then to .45. A lot of times it has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the round but rather a gun or ammo contract that is cost effective or the result of a problem with their current setup. I know a lot of LEO in NYC and NJ who use 9mm +P and they swear by it. I personally know that a .45 is not super man stopper. Keep in mind that the one shot stop studies only included shootings where one shot was fired. That my be 100 out of 10,000 shootings for all you know. Also keep in mind that discussions on stopping power and which caliber is the best is often debated by people who never shot anyone or seen anyone shot. Even autopsies are often not good indicators. Sure they may show that a .45 +P tore up more tissue and did more damage than a 9mm does but it does not mean that the 9mm did not kill. Sort of like shooting someone in the face with a 12 gauge and a 20. The 12 will do more damage than the 20 but both will kill him dead.

    If you like the 1911 format, try a 1911 in 9mm. Load it with +P Gold Dots and you will have a street proven round with real world effectiveness. Plus the ammo is cheaper and more readily available in all sorts of loadings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skysoldier29 View Post
    There is a 1911 chambered in 38 Special? I only knew of the 38 Super.
    Colt use to chamber their 1911 in .38 AMU (Army Marksmanship Unit) and .38 Special Mid-Range (which was just the .38 AMU with a different case headstamp). They are just .38 Specials with a semi-rim.
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    One is not likely to encounter one of these rare Colt variations for sale and the pistol wasn't designed for self-defense purposes but rather as a pure target competition gun.

    I'd love to have one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OD* View Post
    Colt use to chamber their 1911 in .38 AMU (Army Marksmanship Unit) and .38 Special Mid-Range (which was just the .38 AMU with a different case headstamp). They are just .38 Specials with a semi-rim.
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