Rimfire as SD Ammo

Rimfire as SD Ammo

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    Rimfire as SD Ammo

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    By: Richard L. Johnson
    4/28/2013 04:55 PM

    My Comments: I carry a .22 BUG, and I like it! Heck, I can duct tape it to my arm pit if I need to - just kidding. Seriously, depending on what you have to do and wear in your civilian work/business world, a compact rimfire .22 BUG is something some of you might want to consider. Am I going to take on a L.A. Gang with it? No! Am I going to rely on it when all else fails and things are hand to gland? Yes! Sometimes 'Smaller is Better'! Just sayin.........................

    ......What’s the fastest production rimfire cartridge on the planet? The new .17 Winchester Super Magnum (WSM). How fast is this new round? Try 3,000 fps!

    ......Until the 17 HMR came along about 11 years ago, the 22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire (aka 22 Magnum or 22 WMR) was king of the rimfires. While this straight-walled cartridge may seem somewhat pedestrian compared to the new, higher-velocity rimfires, it isn’t ready for pasture quite yet.

    In fact, the 22 Magnum has seen a lot of recent development in the self-defense market. The North American Arms (NAA) mini-revolvers in 22 Magnum have been a popular choice for many people looking for an ultra-concealable handgun. But, new options in guns and ammo have been developed in recent years.

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    As been oft stated here, the .22 rimfire and its various cousins are certainly lethal... without question. However, they are unreliable fight-stoppers.

    Better than a police whistle, though.
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    Aw man! Don't be a piker.

    Who cares about only half-baked little lightweight bullets that aren't really all that speedy, in the overall scheme of things?

    Rimfire self-defense requires heavy lead.
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    As posted before, I picked up a Ruger LCR 22 Win Mag for She Who Must be Obeyed! I also got a case of the new Winchester 22 Win Mag PDX-1. This round is designed around a 2" barrel and has a V & E greater than the 32acp and just under the 380acp out of the 2" barrel. Idea for a back up bug or as she sez can hide in her make up bag!
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    With small light pistols like the LCP available in .380, I'm not sure I see the need for a small defensive .22, unless you are recoil sensitive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
    Aw man! Don't be a piker.

    Who cares about only half-baked little lightweight bullets that aren't really all that speedy, in the overall scheme of things?

    Rimfire self-defense requires heavy lead.
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    You beat me to it!

    I was going to suggest the .44 Extra Long Rimfire.
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    Yeah. No messing about with this .17 and .22 caliber stuff. They need to bring back the rim fires in their more "manly" forms.
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    My truck gun is a Henry 22 magnum with a box of Winchester Super X HP's.

    Within 50 yards, I think it would put a hurt'in on ya. It's light, fast to cycle and stay on target.
    But a little handgun, even in 22 mag, unless its belly to belly, is just too light.
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    Gotta say, the problem with .22 is that an aggressor could soak up a lot of rounds and eventually die, but he'll have time to take me with him which defeats the purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smolck View Post
    Gotta say, the problem with .22 is that an aggressor could soak up a lot of rounds and eventually die, but he'll have time to take me with him which defeats the purpose.
    Agree! My .22 BUG is for 'Hand to Gland' close in use. If I stick it in his eye or throat................... my opponent can suck up as much as I can dish out at that range............
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    Quote Originally Posted by smolck View Post
    Gotta say, the problem with .22 is that an aggressor could soak up a lot of rounds and eventually die, but he'll have time to take me with him which defeats the purpose.
    Granted, I know i'm toast too at that range. So be it. We go together.
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    the 22 WMR is not something the human head can resist many of. Torso shots? sure, not the ideal target to stop a fight. To stop a fight with the .22 the eye socket is the target on the aggressor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith44 View Post
    the 22 WMR is not something the human head can resist many of. Torso shots? sure, not the ideal target to stop a fight. To stop a fight with the .22 the eye socket is the target on the aggressor.

    Yeah, but when the range is two way, you are moving, they are moving...the eye socket is awfully hard to hit.

    I figure if you can consistently hit a super ball bouncing on an uneven surface, so as to be moving unpredictably, you may be just the person to advocate this... otherwise...

    As others have said--.22 it can be lethal--but stopping is an entirely different kettle of horses of a different color.
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    EVERY rimfire firearm I every owned jammed with .22lr. Even my .22lr LCR. As far as I am concerned, they are fun for shooting but unreliable for defense. I have more confidence in a .22 mag revolver though. I dumped the .22lr LCR that had problems with certain ammo and got the .22 mag version.

    I have occasionally carried it as a NY reload to my .357 LCR but quite frankly, my NAA mini revolver can fill that roll just as well. I picked up a Micro Desert Eagle .380 to use as a bug instead a few weeks ago and no longer even shoot my .22 mag LCR. The new ammo for the .22 mag can approach the .380 in penetration and expansion and have seen it penetrate more than some .380's. However, it is still a rimfire cartridge and is inherently less reliable than a centerfire and has a very small cross section compared to larger calibers. A bullet twice as wide has double the chances of hitting that important artery.
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    This has been covered so many times but why anyone would specifically choose rimfire for self defense is beyond me. Sure it will work though, "almost" every time. If recoil bothers you there are lots of 380 & even 9mm guns that a 6 year old can shoot well. Leave some 22 rounds of any type in your car trunk or damp basement, garage for a few days then examine them and fire. Way too easy to corrupt these rounds and requires way too much hammer pressure to activate the primer to bet your life on one. Especially storing or traveling with the gun in various weather. I love shooting my 22's with fresh ammo that has been stored properly but it's very easy to degrade with almost no effort. If you carry you better load new dry stuff in there regularly and conceal it. And you'd better be damned good with that 22 and able to hit precisely where you aim. Use 22 for self defense but realize you are at a disadvantage. Also, if you're strategy, like one of our neighbors, is to just scare them away with the 22. Well... good luck.
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