winchester pdx1 ammo and Hornady xtp for .357

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    winchester pdx1 ammo and Hornady xtp for .357

    Anyone have any experience with Winchester pdx1 or Hornady xtp? I currently have some Buffalo bore short barrel 158gr and some blackhills 158 gr(looks like the black hills may use the xtp bullet in the loaded ammo). Anyhow I was considering getting some 125 grns for my sp101 and gp100. A farm store yesterday not too far from here had both. They were $27 a box. They had lots (20+ of each)of the Winchester in .357 and 38+p. I know hornady use a 8 inch test barrel so energy would drastical reduced while winchester uses a 4 inch test barrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric357 View Post
    Anyone have any experience with Winchester pdx1 or Hornady xtp? I currently have some Buffalo bore short barrel 158gr and some blackhills 158 gr(looks like the black hills may use the xtp bullet in the loaded ammo). Anyhow I was considering getting some 125 grns for my sp101 and gp100. A farm store yesterday not too far from here had both. They were $27 a box. They had lots (20+ of each)of the Winchester in .357 and 38+p. I know hornady use a 8 inch test barrel so energy would drastical reduced while winchester uses a 4 inch test barrel.
    I use PDX-1 in every caliber I shoot and I'm happy with it.


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    What I've read on it seems pretty good. I was just kind of looking for some folks with hands on experience. Thanks.I might call them and see if they still have it.

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    I was trying to find some PDX1 for all of my guns buit that stuff is like a unicorn here. Opted for a box of Hornady 125 gr XTP for my .38 until I can get some PDX1
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    Yesterday was the first time I seen any of it around here. I probally should of went with my gut feeling and picked up a box.

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    I know for a fact every Win PDX1 I've pulled the trigger on went bang and it suffered no setback after 10 recycles. Other than that, it's up to you to put it where it matters.
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    We get it in the store on occasion. A half dozen boxes of one caliber will just show up on the truck. It always goes quickly. I bought ammo after Aurora because I felt supplies would tighten. Sandy Hook just choked off the supply completely. Demand is far beyond the production capacity of the manufacturers. On top of that, people aren't shooting what they buy. The local firing range is pretty quiet anymore. People are just buying it and sitting on it. It's crazy. I'm glad Obama isn't eligible to run for a third term. The guy has made some firearms and ammo manufacturers very rich.

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    I don't have experience with any 357 Magnum load, but I do with the 38 Spl. I tried a box of it through a SP101 I had, and it performed average. To be honest the SP101 didn't like it to well as the accuracy was around 3 1/2" at 15 yards. Expansion was good, and recoil was controllable. I instead went with Remington's 158 Grain +P Semi-Wadcutter HP. Out of the SP101 it printed a nice 1 1/2" at the same 15 yards (best grouping), and averaged around 2 to 2 1/4" with flyers . I have spoken with Ruger's technical staff and they stated the SP101 and GP100 barrels were engineered around the 158 grain load. Ruger uses American Eagle 158 grain 357's to test their guns in the factory. So I generally stay with this weight unless I find a load that a particular gun likes equally well as the 158 grainers.
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    Ghostmaker. Thanks. I have plenty of other 158 SD loads and reloads on hand so maybe I'll stay clear of 125s.Mostly 158 is what I used but was considering trying some 125s. But then again if it aint broke why fix it. Thanks for the imput.
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    I like it. I have seen good reviews on it, mostly. One I saw didn't have it expanding. Based on the comments on the video the author felt that the bondedness and the cavity getting filled with denim (why is it always denim!?!?!?!) made it act like a FMJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJon10125 View Post
    I like it. I have seen good reviews on it, mostly. One I saw didn't have it expanding. Based on the comments on the video the author felt that the bondedness and the cavity getting filled with denim (why is it always denim!?!?!?!) made it act like a FMJ.
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    (why is it always denim!?!?!?!)

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    I can only speak for 9mm but I have/ used them both . My personal choice for S/D Federal 124gr/147- HST normal and +P :) I like to have a variety in my arsenal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric357 View Post
    Anyone have any experience with Winchester pdx1 or Hornady xtp? I currently have some Buffalo bore short barrel 158gr and some blackhills 158 gr(looks like the black hills may use the xtp bullet in the loaded ammo). Anyhow I was considering getting some 125 grns for my sp101 and gp100. A farm store yesterday not too far from here had both. They were $27 a box. They had lots (20+ of each)of the Winchester in .357 and 38+p. I know hornady use a 8 inch test barrel so energy would drastical reduced while winchester uses a 4 inch test barrel.
    I have a fondness for .357 revolvers. I have used the ammo you mention and most of the popular ammo out there. I carry Remington Golden Saber .38 spl +P in my .357 guns. Less recoil and flash plus faster follow-up shots which I happen to know are very important as handgun calibers are poor stoppers. What most fail to realize is that those stopping power charts are based on shootings where only one shot was fired and completely ignores the many more shootings where more than one bullet was needed. Good shot placement will do the job with all the major calibers these days due to advances in bullet design. The differences in diameter are mere fractions of an inch. Stretch cavities look impressive to those who have never seen an operation and knows how much your insides can be stretched without harm. :)

    However, if you prefer a .357 bullet because you shoot it well rather than so you can feel safer with it, I would suggest the Remington Golden Saber 125 gr. as it has mild recoil. Next would be the 125 gr. Speer Gold Dots. If you want the best one stop handgun bullet, get the 125 Federal by which all others are measured against. 158 gr. are good for small black bear and hunting, especially with hard cast bullets. I know too many guys who think big calibers make up for defensive gun skills. Do not become one of them. They learn the hard way. Do not think that a 158 gr. is going to stop someone more or better. You can only kill someone or penetrate a body so much after which it becomes redundant. :) Just remember that if a bigger bullet was better, the 125 gr. .357 would not be shown with a greater stopping power than the .45, .41 and .44 magnums. There is a balance between bullet weight and velocity and it is not all about size.

    Remember, size does not matter if a bullet is well placed. No caliber matters if you are not alive to shoot it or miss with it. A .38 to the spine or brain will stop someone as effectively as anything else. The only civilian I saw shot and stopped was with a .22lr from a Saturday Night Special. The shooter and victim seemed unaware of how laughable that little bullet was because the shooter fired just one shot that missed COM and hit the victim in the belly instead using a one handed grip no less. The victim, not knowing anything about foot pounds and bullet weight (no gun forums back then) went immediately to the ground and was out of the fight. He died the next day. Now maybe a 158 gr. .357 might have made a bigger hole but I doubt that it would have stopped the victim any faster because that sucker was going down no matter what he was shot with. Welcome to reality where most of us never get into gun fights with that almost mythical PCP addict who feels no pain. No one likes being shot with anything. Sure it can happen but so can Angelina Jolie marrying me.
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