Winchester ranger t series or ranger bonded ammo

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    Winchester ranger t series or ranger bonded ammo

    The bonded penetrates due to less expansion, but will hold together through any barriers

    What would be a better all around SD ammo

    I'm talking specifically about the 165 gr 40 cal in a g27

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    I'm a fan of the bonded ranger ammo, as the penetration is better, and expansion is close to as good as the T-series.
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    Can't imagine any jacketed ammo can make the claim it'll "stay together" through any barriers. But likely a bonded variant is going to perform better than most. And I'd have no qualms over either of those two Winchester Ranger choices, myself, in any SD application.

    Have you compared the two with various ballistics tests you have found?
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    In the shorter barreled G27...I'd likely run the standard Ranger, not the bonded.

    The reason being is that with the reduced velocity in the short barrel, you'll likely get poor expansion with a bonded bullet, and the ranger-T has a decent track record for most common barriers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuda66 View Post
    In the shorter barreled G27...I'd likely run the standard Ranger, not the bonded.

    The reason being is that with the reduced velocity in the short barrel, you'll likely get poor expansion with a bonded bullet, and the ranger-T has a decent track record for most common barriers.
    I tend to agree with Cuda66. I have seen the results of a bonded 40cal shooting when I was a street cop and the majority of rounds fired overpenetrated. I will add that they were the 155 grain weight. Studies by Sanow and Marshall show they and the 165 grainers penetrate deeper than the heavier grain weights. Personally I like the 180 grain weights in the 40cal guns, as they penetrate deep enough to hit vital organs yet tend to penetrate less than the faster stepping 155-165 grain weights. Just my own observations....
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    As a side not I have noticed that the WWB .40 180 gr bonded looks identical to the Ranger 180 gr bonded. According to the factory ballistics tables it performs identically at much less cost ($19.99 at Wamart when in stock). I suspect that these are overruns that are packaged more inexpensively. JMHO.
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    both are decent rounds, but if you want a good solid performer go with either a Solid copper bullet Barnes TAC-XPD or the Federal HST's in all my testing those are the best performers, I've tested a lot of the Rangers and had lots fail to expand and or only expand a little ... esp when going through 4 layers of denim...

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    I would be willing to bet a dollar to a beignet that no one on the receiving end of either one would ever be able to tell the difference!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lyodbraun View Post
    both are decent rounds, but if you want a good solid performer go with either a Solid copper bullet Barnes TAC-XPD or the Federal HST's in all my testing those are the best performers, I've tested a lot of the Rangers and had lots fail to expand and or only expand a little ... esp when going through 4 layers of denim...
    I watched several videos on utube on both bullets. The bonded penetrated 16" after going through 4 layers of denim. Come to think of it, that seems a little excessive.

    I have some 230 gr +p federal hst 45 acp, 165 gr .40 cal and 125 .357sig ranger bonded ammo. I'm going to do tests on water jugs through some old demon jeans.
    Out of the video I've seen the hst and ranger t looks the most nasty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carverelli View Post
    I watched several videos on utube on both bullets. The bonded penetrated 16" after going through 4 layers of denim. Come to think of it, that seems a little excessive.

    I have some 230 gr +p federal hst 45 acp, 165 gr .40 cal and 125 .357sig ranger bonded ammo. I'm going to do tests on water jugs through some old demon jeans.
    Out of the video I've seen the hst and ranger t looks the most nasty.

    Remington's golden saber looks good until the jacket sheds its lead core
    Youtube vids are neat, but really don't tell much, since the medium being used is rarely properly calibrated gel.

    However, assuming it was--16" is considered ideal. Anything less than 12" is underpenetration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuda66 View Post
    Youtube vids are neat, but really don't tell much, since the medium being used is rarely properly calibrated gel.

    However, assuming it was--16" is considered ideal. Anything less than 12" is underpenetration.
    In addition the last documented attack by Bare Butted Jello was in the 1950s! See the movie "the Blob"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by onacoma View Post
    In addition the last documented attack by Bare Butted Jello was in the 1950s!...
    There have been at least two Jello attacks since the 1958 rampage:

    Beware! The Blob (1972) - IMDb

    The Blob (1988) - IMDb
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    Most LE users of Ranger are carrying the "T", which is basically a modification of Winchester's old Talon bullet. For defense or duty, I can tell you first hand that it works. It is difficult to find, which is telling as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilowatt3 View Post
    There have been at least two Jello attacks since the 1958 rampage:

    Beware! The Blob (1972) - IMDb

    The Blob (1988) - IMDb
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocT65 View Post
    Most LE users of Ranger are carrying the "T", which is basically a modification of Winchester's old Talon bullet. For defense or duty, I can tell you first hand that it works. It is difficult to find, which is telling as well.
    The PD Mexifornia I insult for uses the "T" series and the last place I found the Ranger T-Series was at SGAmmo.Com. I picked up 4 boxes of 9mm +P+ for my CX4 Carbine.

    T is alleged to be the tone down of Talon and they have removed the black coating/lube off of the bullets since the Mexifornia case in 1993!


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