And in Ammo News ....Ah Oh.....more of the same

And in Ammo News ....Ah Oh.....more of the same

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    And in Ammo News ....Ah Oh.....more of the same

    There have been ammunition shortages before in the United States, but nothing like what gun owners have seen the last six months.

    Target shooters, those using .22 long rifles, .223 and .308 calibers were already feeling the pinch, but starting in December even waterfowlers were having trouble finding steel shot.

    Then all ammunition began to fly off shelves, and replacements were slow in coming — if at all.

    Now it is May and dove season is only four months out. Deer season for some in Texas is five months away, and hunters are starting to get a little nervous. The store shelves are filling up, but there is still a lot of ammo on backorder. Most stores are still limiting purchases and there hasn't been anything that says manufacturers are about to catch up with demand. Gun owners of all types are buying and selling ammo among each other like it was a rare commodity.

    This isn't the first time in recent years there has been a run on ammunition. The last time came because lead for bullets was diverted to war use.

    This run is different. It came out of fear of what the government was going to do with guns and ammo in the light of mass shootings incidents in Colorado and Connecticut. It started with firearms sales jumping almost immediately after last November's Presidential election.

    A retailer couldn't have come up with a more effective advertising campaign than a President promising gun control, and for months stores experienced non-stop sales. Some around the state were greeted each morning for by lines waiting for doors to open. Guns, especially the popular sporting rifles and pistols, flew off the shelves and were soon backordered.

    It was madness. One Tyler-area retailer said he had a couple walk in for the first time and said they were told they needed to buy an AR-15. Then they said, “Can you show us what one looks like.”

    Apparently liking what they saw. They bought two.

    Pistol sales were just as hot. An Austin retailer told of a woman who walked up to the counter asking to buy a pistol. When asked what kind, she pointed into the case and said, “Is that a good one?” Told it was, she bought the gun.

    However, there could only be so much demand for guns and despite sales of $11.7 billion in 2012, eventually supply caught up with demand.

    That is when the run on ammo and components began. Because a lot of the new gun buyers weren't hunters, they were buying larger amounts of ammo to use at the range, home defense or in some cases as doomsday supplies.

    Unlike with guns, however, the manufacturers haven't caught up with demand. That is reflective on store shelves and at the cash register where prices have increased.

    So the question is will the ammunition supply chain fill in time for hunting season? The answer is a little like looking at the Dallas Cowboys, you hope they are better, but don't bet the bank on it.

    “Like many manufacturers in the shooting sports industry, we are experiencing an extremely high demand for our products. We are working as hard as we can to produce an increased supply of quality ammunition to meet our customers' needs.”

    That is the official word from Winchester. It scarily says nothing, and efforts to get elaboration from a company spokesperson got absolutely nothing more.
    Remington was just as elusive.

    “Remington is at full capacity at this time with a majority of categories of ammunition. Remington is continuing to look at how to increase capacity and supplying ammo products to the various channels of distribution/sales that we support,” said company spokeswoman Jessica Kallam.

    Ditto Federal, who offered a similar prepared statement.

    Hornady, which primarily makes bullets, said it has added shifts and equipment in an effort to meet demand.

    Despite conspiracy theories about government ammo buy-ups causing the shortage, the truth seems to be a less-sinister retail perfect storm, according to industry insiders.

    “It is definitely a consumer demand shortage,” said Mike Bazinet, a spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, an organization underwritten by the sporting goods industry including arms and ammo manufacturers. “We don't speculate more than that. We certainly know when people are concerned about access that causes a concern about demand.”

    Bazinet said the biggest pull on supplies has been a 35-consecutive month increase in firearms sales nationwide. Many of these are new buyers, and unlike hunters who might shoot four or five rifle shells a year they are shooting hundreds of rounds an afternoon.

    He added that many manufactures have brought out a number of new rifles using .22 Long Rifle shells. An almost forgotten shell except for plinking, the remaining squirrel hunters and summer camps, demand has exploded exponentially in recent years as the new guns have been sold.

    That, along with the fear of government action, brought the consumers to stores. Then they ran into a new retail strategy in which retailers don't sink their cash into product that sits in warehouses out of season.

    “There is that wider phenomenon of just-in-time buying by retailers. Do I want to pay to store this ammo that is not going to sell in back room?” Bazinet said.
    And without product to sell and a nationwide demand, everyone found themself short.

    Local retailers are reporting that gun sales have slowed from their peak, but that are still higher than what had been considered normal. That rush of new customers continues to put pressure on what ammunition the stores have available.


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    I am hoping things will level off soon as well. I've been blessed and have been able to get some ammo here and there. Hope things turn around for you as well.
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    I just bought 1 box of 9 mm Critical Duty 135g +p on Friday night. There were 4 boxes on the shelf. That is the forst time I have seen deffensive ammo since the madness began. My wife said I shold have bought more, but I did not want to be greedy. Practice ammo is easier to find if you are willing to get to the stores early enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txron View Post
    I just bought 1 box of 9 mm Critical Duty 135g +p on Friday night. There were 4 boxes on the shelf. That is the forst time I have seen deffensive ammo since the madness began. My wife said I shold have bought more, but I did not want to be greedy. Practice ammo is easier to find if you are willing to get to the stores early enough.
    That's funny I just ordered the same exact thing from PSA :) I have a very good reasonable LGS for pretty much all the range ammo I need . Thank God I saw this coming before Sandy Hook . I have had to severely reduce my range time, and hate whats going on here for all the shooters. The ammo rapists here are terrible and they wont ever see my business, but people keep paying it . I'm not talking about a small margin either ! In my eyes they would do it with food and water ! I have no use for people like that.

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    If they thought American's were armed before the re-election, what do they think about it now ? LMAO. I don't want to quote the number, as I don't remember the exact number now.... but last month they were commenting about how many guns have sold since November... it was in the millions.


    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nic...als-033113.pdf

    Counting Nov 2008 thru April 2003 .... there have been 13,519,357 (13 million, 519 thousand, 357 ) NIC's checks done. Assuming each of those equaled one gun, that you might then need ammo for....... and each person bought only 200 rounds and were the only people buying any ammo ..... that would be 2,703,871,400 rounds of ammunition (2 billion, 703 million, 871 thousand, 400 rds).
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    It is good to hear from the NSSF what the actual truth behind the shortage is being caused by (consumers buying it) and not more DHS conspiracy crap that the internet is full of.

    It is really amazing how many people truly believe that there is some vast government conspiracy to buy up all the ammunition either to deny it to citizens or for use in some forthcoming breakdown of society etc. It is like the whole "DHS is buying 2700 MRAPS" thing, people read so much into these stories more to find what they want to believe more than what is actually the reality. It's the same with ammo, people think it is a scare commodity so they are buying as much as they can, which in turn is making it scare and so continues the cycle.

    It never ceases to amaze me how many idiots are on the planet, you can get anyone to believe something if you tell them it enough times I think...

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    Well, with those numbers....... just based upon NICS checks, and if ONLY those buying guns were the one's buying 200 rds of ammo ;

    that would amount to 450,645,233 rounds a month (450 million, 645 thousand, 233 rds) being sold over those 6 months (Nov 2012 - April 2013),

    and you know the rest of us who own guns are buying ammo, and reloading, etc. during that time, and it wouldn't even count that.
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    Now ask yourself WHY people that were never interested in a gun all of a sudden buying up guns and ammo.


    It aint looking good.
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    Seems like the 90% of people who were for gun control are now realizing that 100% of the Govt can't be trusted. I don't see it getting any better for at least a year...and that's assuming there aren't any more big crappy events. Just in time for another big gun control push that will start the frenzy all over again.
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    Lol, I remember lazy afternoons and burning thru 5.56mm, 7.62, 9mm, .45 like it was nothing. They were so cheap I didnt even bother reloading anything but specialty rifle and large bore handgun. Now I have, what I consider, a minimum home supply with very little left for practice. I saw this coming but money was tight at the time or I'd have stocked up more. Im looking for a Dillon progressive but their line has been busy for 2 weeks every time I call. Pretty crazy times.
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    When I bought my first .357 (SW 586) I was buying .38 ammo for around $5.00-$6.00 for 50 rounds. That was around 1987. I would go out and plink away 200 rounds like it was nothing.

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    I was at WW yesterday and got 3 boxes of FMJ 9mm. That's the first I have gotten in about 2 months. I don't go every morning (some of us have to work for a living), but on mornings when I take my grandson to school I go by there. This is the first time they have had any 9mm that the guys in front of me didn't buy it all. There were only 4 of us in line when the ammo showed up at 7:15. The times prior to yesterday when I went, there would always be more like 15 or 20.

    It does seem to be getting a LEEEEEEETlE bit better.
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