Winchester Ranger SXT Ammo

Winchester Ranger SXT Ammo

This is a discussion on Winchester Ranger SXT Ammo within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I saw some Winchester Ranger 147g 9mm #RA9SXT today. Anyone have any info on this? Is it a good SD round to carry?...

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    Winchester Ranger SXT Ammo

    I saw some Winchester Ranger 147g 9mm #RA9SXT today. Anyone have any info on this? Is it a good SD round to carry?


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    It is pretty good, especially if you like heavy for caliber loads. AFAIK, that is the LAPD issued ammo for those who carry 9mm (some do, they authorize tons of different guns). I'm not a big fan of 147gr, I think 124gr+P is the best SD load based on the tests I have seen. Depending on your gun, if you can find the Ranger 127gr+P+ I will highly recommend that round. Officially, most manufacturers will say +P+ is a no no, but realistically it is fine in modern well made guns (Glock, M&P, etc).
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    It's basically a Black Talon without the black Luballoy coating.

    Not bad, but has been superseded by the Ranger-T.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuda66 View Post
    It's basically a Black Talon without the black Luballoy coating.

    Not bad, but has been superseded by the Ranger-T.
    There is a joke in the gun business that the "SXT" stands for "Same eXact Thing".
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    Quote Originally Posted by MJB_17 View Post
    It is pretty good, especially if you like heavy for caliber loads. AFAIK, that is the LAPD issued ammo for those who carry 9mm (some do, they authorize tons of different guns). I'm not a big fan of 147gr, I think 124gr+P is the best SD load based on the tests I have seen. Depending on your gun, if you can find the Ranger 127gr+P+ I will highly recommend that round. Officially, most manufacturers will say +P+ is a no no, but realistically it is fine in modern well made guns (Glock, M&P, etc).
    I agree...if the 147's are all you can get hold of, they are not bad. I also feel the 124 grainers in +P are much better, and the 127gr +P+ Ranger that MJB_17 mentioned is down-right lethal. I know of cops switching back to 9mm's from 40's and even 45's when this round was authorized for them to carry.
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    Here is the spec sheet on +P+ cartridge everyone is touting: http://winchesterle.com/Lists%2FCata...13%2FRA9TA.pdf

    Excellence round out of an HK-MP5 (8" Barrel) or a CX4 Storm (16" Barrel)! As the spec sheet reference all tests were done with a 4" barrel, however unless your barrel length is 4.5" I would stick with +P. I've attached a picture of ballistic glass test we conducted for the range at the PD. The +P+ out of a Glock 17 got one layer of penetration, 40 S&W & The .357 Sig penetrated 3 layers. The +P+ out of a MP5 went clean through! Additionally, shoot the +P+ in low light and watch the flame at the end of the barrel. That flame is wasted energy as well as letting the BG know where you're at!

    JMHO - If you want better performance out of a 9mm than you get with +P, go to a .357 Sig - my EDC!
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    I had called the Winchester LE rep some time ago to get a clarification on their different ammunitions. This is what I was told.
    The SXT is basically a civilian version of the Ranger T with a slight difference.. The SXT has 8 serrations on the bullet head.
    The Ranger T is their LE cartridge, it is the replacement to the old black talon, it has 6 serrations on the bullet and no lubalox coating.
    The PDX1 is the same cartridge as the Ranger T but packaged in a different box. The PDX1 box is marketed for civilians and the box is labeled Personal Protection instead of Law Enforcement ammunition as on the Ranger T box. This was the explanation given to me.. Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theheater905 View Post
    The PDX1 is the same cartridge as the Ranger T but packaged in a different box. The PDX1 box is marketed for civilians and the box is labeled Personal Protection instead of Law Enforcement ammunition as on the Ranger T box.
    Sorry to burst the bubble, but the PDX bullet is not the same as SXT bullet. The PDX is a bonded bullet, the same as are their Winchester LE Ranger Bonded (Not the same as the T-Series). Again, neither the PDX nor the LE Ranger Bonded uses a SXT bullet. Only the LE T-Series now use the SXT bullets, however you can still get the SXT in their home defense "Best Value" ammunition. None of the Best Value are loaded in a +P load.

    For LE ammunition please refer to: http://winchesterle.com/Products/han...s/default.aspx

    For the non-LE please refer to: http://www.winchester.com/Products/h...s/default.aspx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quincythedgo View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by onacoma View Post
    Here is the spec sheet on +P+ cartridge everyone is touting: http://winchesterle.com/Lists%2FCata...13%2FRA9TA.pdf

    Excellence round out of an HK-MP5 (8" Barrel) or a CX4 Storm (16" Barrel)! As the spec sheet reference all tests were done with a 4" barrel, however unless your barrel length is 4.5" I would stick with +P. I've attached a picture of ballistic glass test we conducted for the range at the PD. The +P+ out of a Glock 17 got one layer of penetration, 40 S&W & The .357 Sig penetrated 3 layers. The +P+ out of a MP5 went clean through! Additionally, shoot the +P+ in low light and watch the flame at the end of the barrel. That flame is wasted energy as well as letting the BG know where you're at!

    JMHO - If you want better performance out of a 9mm than you get with +P, go to a .357 Sig - my EDC!
    Onacoma makes an excellent point that I should have mentioned, +P+ out of a short barrel can be pretty pointless. You really do need a decent amount of inches for a good performance (that's what she said), otherwise the extra powder ends up burning outside the barrel and just becomes flash and blast. Generally speaking 4" is the minimum for using +P+.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onacoma View Post
    Sorry to burst the bubble, but the PDX bullet is not the same as SXT bullet. The PDX is a bonded bullet, the same as are their Winchester LE Ranger Bonded (Not the same as the T-Series). Again, neither the PDX nor the LE Ranger Bonded uses a SXT bullet. Only the LE T-Series now use the SXT bullets, however you can still get the SXT in their home defense "Best Value" ammunition. None of the Best Value are loaded in a +P load.

    For LE ammunition please refer to: http://winchesterle.com/Products/han...s/default.aspx

    For the non-LE please refer to: http://www.winchester.com/Products/h...s/default.aspx



    + 1.... Pdx and ranger t are two different bullets....

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    I just picked up four 50 round boxes of this RA9SXT 147gr for $29 a box. I would much rather have this stuff at 29 bucks a box VS some fmj for 27 dollars a box ...

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    I agree that Ranger is probably the best duty/carry ammo, for 9mm 124gr+p is what I like to carry in my 9mm shield

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