ball ammo?

This is a discussion on ball ammo? within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; dose anybody carry just plain ol' ball ammo in there EDC.. I know that HPs are standerd but bullets are bullets in my book. thoughts?...

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    Question ball ammo?

    dose anybody carry just plain ol' ball ammo in there EDC.. I know that HPs are standerd but bullets are bullets in my book.

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    No not ever. I shoot a 9mm and FMJ ball ammo would overpentrate and go through almost any medium it hits. Since I am responsible for every shot, I don't want my 9mm round goign through the attacker or wall and keep going down range.
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    I carry Gold Dot Short Barrel 125gr +P in mine. If I carry a .380 I would just for the sake of it being able to penetrate something.
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    I have but it was only because that was the ONLY thing I could get at the time. But I don't in normal circumstances for the reasons txron wrote.
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    Never, I like to be more effective, not less effective when I shoot for defense.
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    The only weapon in which I use ball ammo is my .380 I wear to church. Penetration is better for the .380 ball as opposed to JHP. Using ball ammo in 9mm and up is downright dangerous to bystanders in an EDC.
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    .380 gets fmj

    Ball ammo in a .45 has been doing the job for over a hundred years now.

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    Only for .380 or .32 acp
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    It depends on the caliber. It's worst for 9mm, as it's far less effective and yet very likely to overpenetrate. NYPD used it for a very long time and eventually prevailed upon the leadership to allow "evil" hollowpoint bullets, in part because of a report - from the New York Times, of all places - detailing how many police and innocent bystanders had been hit by 9mm fmj after the round had already passed through a BG.

    In .380, it makes more sense, because penetration can be lacking for hollowpoints, but overpenetration is still a potential issue for .380 fmj. For .45 auto, fmj is much more effective than it is for 9mm, but still not nearly as good as hollowpoints.

    Those things being said, fmj is a much better choice than no round at all. Personally, I have a .45 that I sometimes carry, for which two of three magazines just don't feed hollowpoint correctly, but they work fine for fmj. So I load those with fmj and consider them my backup magazines, while the primary magazine feeds hollowpoint perfectly and is loaded with hollowpoint. (I'd guess it's because they're ten-round vs eight-round, and the springs are different.) I figure if I get through the first eight rounds and still need more, it's a situation where overpenetration is a lower priority concern, and it may well be because there's a BG shooting from cover.
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    Massad Ayoob covered this extensively in The Gun Digest Book of Concealed Carry. If "bullets are bullets" than "pistols are just pistols", right? Some just work better than others.

    I don't carry FMJ in any of my pistols because:

    *They don't stop the bad guy as well.
    *They increase the chance of hitting innocent bystanders.
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    Except for use in the tiny calibers (.380 and lower), I've never understood the fascination that some folks have with carrying ball ammo for SD- perhaps it comes from a romantic wartime notion, a fantasy, or some other belief.

    JHPs offer more tissue destruction per unit of distance traveled than ball and even if it's just a trivial advantage in an event in which my life may hang in the balance, I want it. At worst, if a JHP doesn't expand, it behaves as ball would anyway, so why eschew JHPs for ball ammo? Ultimately, if a pistol won't feed JHPs reliably, it's not a gun I'd want to bet my life on anyway.
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    You should carry hollowpoints in the 9mm, and hope they do what they are designed to do; act like big bullets when they hit tissue, and then hope that they have enough sectional density to give them adequate penetration.

    Jeff Cooper had this figured out years ago. He championed the TC lead bullet for the 45 ACP because of the early HP designs failing to open at handgun velocities. It is my opinion that now, to almost guarantee expansion, they open to quickly and give very inconsistent results in living tissue.

    Sooo, I follow the Colonel's advice. In 1995, at the NRA Whittington class, he had a 5 inch Government model. This is what he had in the magazine, and this is what I have in mine.


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    .45 = yes...9mm = no. Whether you're using JHP or FMJ, you should be mindful of everything beyond or around your target. Even with loaded JHP, I'd be worried about what lies beyond. I've never been unfortunate enough to be in an SD situation. However, I'm certain that the bad guy will not stay clipped to the cardboard like he does at the range. He might just move.....
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    I use jhp in my edc , But any ammo that makes a hole is better than no hole at all.!

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    Ayoob also discusses the inadequate penetration characteristics of JHP .380 versus FMJ. He recommends to use ball ammo in the .380 and I trust his opinion.
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