Newbie Question On Ammo

Newbie Question On Ammo

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    Newbie Question On Ammo

    I understand the term "YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR"

    When I first got into shooting and i was at the range, i found out that my Ruger would shoot just about anything i put in it. (and believe me I had some of my buddies hand loads, Tulammo steel, Winchester White, Blazer. I had a MISH MOSH of bullets in my gun)

    For defensive purposes I was told that you stick with what you feel works the best. It was suggested by my buddy that Hornady made a very good capable defensive ammo So i invested in Hornady Critical Duty .40S&W 175 Gr. I was lurking at another forum where they were touting Cor Bon for .40 but the weight was 140 Gr. out of curiosity i looked up their prices and WOW they are more than double the price of the Hornady. is there a real difference or minimal difference in the different MFR of Ammo. I mean I can get a 50 round box for about $35.00 but they where listing a price of $38.00 for a box of 20? I get it there is a LEXUS quality car & then there is a YUGO quality car. Does the same hold true in the world of AMMO.
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    If Hornday works well in your gun (always shoot some carry ammo to at least check function) then stick with it. I use Hornady Critical Defense and Speer Gold Dot. Both are proven, effective rounds and if I were hit with either I imagine I'd be in the same sorry condition as I would be if hit with ammo that cost twice as much.
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    This piece is written essentially by the ammo experts. It's well worth a read and then you will know what you need to know regarding defensive ammo.

    Best Choices for Self Defense Ammo
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    Before the more modern and "exotic" lines of ammunition hit the shelves, ammo selection was pretty basic. You either had target loads (lead round nose, FMJ's, etc.), hunting oriented loads (semi-wadcutters, JSP, etc.) and self defense loads (meaning semi-jacketed hollow points, lead hollow points, jacketed hollow points, etc.). There were no "bonded-core-polymer widgetted-hydro-super-charged-nuke-a-puke" rounds out there. The fact remains that despite the lack of "advanced bullet technology" cops and honest citizens were still punchin' bad guys tickets on a VERY regular basis back then. Advancements in bullet design have increased performance in certain areas, but the basic purpose of the bullet has neither changed nor has it been elevated to "death ray status".

    Decades ago, when I was still a police officer, a senior officer once told me a fact about gunfights. This fact was simply this...."You're just filling them full of holes till you hit something worth shootin'." This fact remains as relevant now as it was then. Some of the modern ammo really does increase performance, some may only increase it a little. Regardless of which you are still paying an "advanced price" for the "advanced name" in most cases. If the load you are using not the newest "Captain Kirk" bullet design, but it still performs well, you're still being well served by it. Especially if that load shoots point of aim, allowing you to "hit something worth shootin" , as was the advice I received.
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    'Nuff said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chasbo00 View Post
    This piece is written essentially by the ammo experts. It's well worth a read and then you will know what you need to know regarding defensive ammo.

    Best Choices for Self Defense Ammo
    Thanks. This will give some interesting read time. (Not that I understand the science behind it , yet. Good time to start to learn)

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    More than 'power'.

    KennyDale - since you are buying ammo for self defense, one should also consider a couple other factors: Reliability of function, and accuracy compatibility with your pistol.

    In dog years, that means the ammo you choose to buy and carry will always, always, always fit, feed, fire and extract on demand in your pistol. Ammo that is the ultra-plus woopie stopper stuff that 'hangs up a bit' every third round or so is NOT very comforting.

    Also, the ammunition should provide 'suitable' accuracy from your pistol. The truth is, some pistols only like brand X ammo for accuracy. Some pistols will shoot anything well. Find out. "Suitable" accuracy is your decision. I have a standard of 'head shots' at 25 yards. (Not that I expect to do that on a regular basis, but if the pistol and ammo can do that, it will probably hit where I send it on any other occasion as well.) Similar to above, the 'super' ammo that won't connect with a six foot, four inch fat guy at more than seven feet is not going to do you much good.

    So - in my not so humble pronouncement - get ammo that always works in your gun, shoots to where you expect it to hit and is designed accordingly to perform as needed upon impact.

    Sometimes it's the high priced stuff, sometimes it might be the cheap stuff. Check it and find out.
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    Personal opinion, all of the the custom defensive loads out there will do the job just fine. i use Golden Sabers only because they function well out of my gun and are the cheapest.
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    Yep find the ammo you and your gun like and stick with it . About any modern round will do the job . I like Critical defensive or golden saber and if I could find some ranger I would get them too to try.

    A note though don't get too exotic and get some round call the exploder round or some nonsense that wont be good for trial ( ie you went looking to kill with your fancy bullets etc). I carry mainstream some even cop carry rounds nothing wild named etc .

    Just stick with what you like most any round today will do the trick. The only thing I would take into mind would be flash some of the rounds are made to be low flash ( I think the CD are ) so if you need to shoot at night that can come in handy.
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    Only hits count. If you can not consistently hit the target it does not matter what you are shooting, unless it is a grenade launcher. If you do consistently hit the target then the bullet is a very minor part of the equation.
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    Your Hornaday rounds arent Yugo's. They are good defence rounds. If your gun will shoot them well, Id stick with them. Remingtons Golden saber are also good proven rounds. Try a few and stick with what you and your gun like best. Once I settle on a round I get a couple of boxes . Those will last me all year. DR

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    I have a variety of ammo for my Glocks...I have Hornady for my SP101...never a failure or problem of any kind.
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    box of 20 is always more expensive as compare to boxes of 50. a 20rd box of speer gold dot in .40 regularly go for 25 bucks or more while a box of 50rd of the same can be had for 34.

    was the corbon of the solid copper verity? those would cost more just because of the cost of all copper bullets. but really mostly because that's what people are willing to pay.

    generally SD ammo cost more because they have better components, nickle plated case, bonded hollow point bullets and primers that claim to be more reliable and powder that is supposed to low smoke and low flash. i have never noticed any difference in terms of practical accuracy in a pistol and never had i encounter a dud in ammo less then 30 years old, regardless of "grade"
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    I read on just about every gun forum where people recommend Hornady ammo as a proven ammo. It shoots good at the range but I have never ever known of any agency using it for a duty round. It comes in a pretty box and it sells cheap and I don't blame people for buying it but I do not or will not carry it in my EDC where my life depends on it. I only feel comfortable carrying what has been proven in the streets.

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    It all depends on the gun and the caliber with trial and error testing in each gun. I prefer:

    CorBon 115 grain 9mm in my Sig P938
    Hornady 140 grain FTX LeveRevolution .357 magnum
    Winchester Silvertip 175 grain in my government size 1911 10mm pistols
    Buffalo Bore 180 grain JHP 10mm in my Glock G20 SF
    Winchester 230 grain PDX1 in my government size 1911 .45 ACP pistols
    CorBon 165 grain .45 ACP in my Springfield Armory XDs-45
    Hornady 225 grain FTX LeveRevolution .45 Colt
    Hornady 200 grain FTX LeveRevolution .44 magnum
    Speer Gold Dot 300 grain 50 AE in my Desert Eagle.
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