First Round in Mag=FMJ?

First Round in Mag=FMJ?

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    First Round in Mag=FMJ?

    Hey all,

    Just wondering about your ammunition practice when carrying. I've heard of some who put an FMJ as their first round (in chamber) and then the JHP. This is in case of ND...do you practice this technique?

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    No.

    I read somewhere that you shouldn't mix round types in a mag. That may be bunk.
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    If the gun works reliably well with either round in any position, it should be fine.

    If the penetration and "stop" characteristics are justifiable in the defensive situations you plan to be in, it should be fine.

    Trouble is, many folks fail to either (a) confirm it works reliably well by mixing and matching cartridges, and/or (b) confirm the reasons for selecting JHP/defensive rounds are also met by selecting FMJ/"target" type rounds.

    My preference: JHP defensive rounds in my carry guns, except where clearly not reliably supported by the gun in question ... at which point it's a prime candidate for being sold in favor of something that does support as capable a defensive load as I can find.
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    I don't mix and match loads . I want to know what to expect when I pull the trigger (what bang , what jump etc). The only time I would load fmj would be if I was depth in back wood as a measure against critter or if I was carrying a very small cal gun ie 22 or 25 cause there is really no expansion with thous. Plus with fmj there is a lot of cut though but no omp if you will , hp dump all fury on impact and hopefully don't hit the house next door..
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    "My preference: JHP defensive rounds in my carry guns, except where clearly not reliably supported by the gun in question ... at which point it's a prime candidate for being sold in favor of something that does support as capable a defensive load as I can find."

    Agreed. If my defensive weapon cannot reliably feed defensive ammunition, it's not going to be a defensive weapon (for me).

    People can carry in whichever manner they see fit, but personally, I don't buy into staggering rounds. In all of my carry guns, the magazines are loaded with only JHP's of the same brand.
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    jhp. ill mix and match if i feel the need and i know for sure my glock will feed and eat em every time.
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    with that logic one might as well go with a rubber bullet then.
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    I prefer to carry bonded JHP's. I don't mix ammo between HP's and ball. If someone is carrying ball in the chamber expecting a ND my guess is they will have one shortly, kind of sitting yourself up for failure. Since I do not plan to take a round from my own weapon, it is loaded with the most lethal round.

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    JHP only in my carry gun.
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    I'm often amused by the thought process that goes into mixed loads. So, you have one FMJ in case of an ND? Why, so it will go through more barriers before it comes to rest? Or maybe you have one blank to warn them, then two frangibles, then three JHPs, then FMJs in case they run behind cover? Such wacky scenarios, and there's no way to know that you won't need the FMJ first, then all the frangibles. No, I tend to just load the best JHP I can find and let the chips fall where they may. The exceptions are usually due to availability. For instance, I got caught kind of flat footed by one of the last shortages and only had a limited amount of good carry ammo that I know would run in my guns. So I loaded all the good stuff at the top of the mag backed up by the next best thing I had on hand. Again, that's an unusual scenario; now I have a good stock built up so it's Federal HST ammo in everything I use for CCW or HD.
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    If you know where to place the round............. the booger picker might just work.......... Just saying.

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    I have a mag dedicated to FMJ but I probably won't use it.

    All my other mags are HP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExaltedOne View Post
    I have a mag dedicated to FMJ but I probably won't use it.

    All my other mags are HP.
    are there any "defense" FMJ commercially available for pistols? or do you just use range/match rounds? not talking about the expanding FMJ stuff but rather just conventional ball or perhaps solid copper.
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    Loading a FMJ round to help mitigate a negligent discharge is one of the oddest things I've ever seen on a gun forum- and that is saying something. Doing so just gives you the ability to cause harm to more people and property than you would have with a modern defensive round. Sure, you could come up with a scenario where someone lives because they were shot with a FMJ round rather than a JHP, but those cases would be rare. I'd be much more worried about my FMJ round leaving the place where I did something stupid and hurting somebody on the street or in another home that I didn't even know was there.

    However in reality just be careful with the gun and it will never matter. If you follow each of the 4 rules you're doing it right. Then even if you screw one of them up you're very unlikely to hurt anyone.
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    True indeed. As long as you stick to the basic rules, it doesn't matter what the heck you have as your first round. Which is exactly why the only time I have mags loaded with FMJ is during range trips.
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