Like it or not, bullet design is changing.
CAD and computer aided testing are the standard.
Whether this pans out or not, there will be something that does.
Mousegunaddict did a full test on the 9mm and .40cal Liberty M4 ammo. (Used to be called Halo Point)
Look under the appropriate caliber too see the test & videos.
The test is independent and speaks for itself. Draw your own conclusions.
I think maybe the manufacturer should send him a few boxes of RIP to run thru the paces.
to me. the layman.
Getting shot with anything would suck.
The degree of suck, being directly proportional to where you get shot multiplied by depth and fragments.
This wonder bullet, if it is as it claims to be, has the potential to increase the BG level of suck.
More data means we get a better idea of it's (in)capabilities. :yup:
Bullet designs (truly innovative & effective or not) don't/can't rewrite the laws of physics. That why they're called "laws" and not the "general suggestions" or "old wive's tales" of physics. I'm not saying it's impossible that this is a genuine breakthrough. Hybrid automobiles ARE a genuine alternative to gas power. Yet I didn't join the Prius parade until I was confident with the 200+ years of development from concept to practicality.
I can't see it being a effective as they say it is going to be in a small round. The fragments that will splinter off on a 380 or 9mm are going to be so small that I can't see it making much of a difference.
Now the shotgun slug they say they have in the works would be something to look at.
It certainly looks wicked. I will be interested to see results of independent tests.
I want to know the cost. It seems like it may be a good SD round, but will it outperform Federal HST or Remington PDX1?
All I want to know is how much will it cost per round and where can I buy some to test.
I sent an email to them and received this in reply:
The 9 mm is currently available by calling 706-654-5614. Ships very quickly. The price is $44.00 per box of 20. Due to demand for the 9, the other calibers are about 4 months out. The .380 will be available next. Check out our Facebook page.
I will be buying a box of 9 soon and a box of 380 when available. I love new technology.
Per post #100 (above), the cost is $44.00/20 rounds. That's $2.20 per round...which is very expensive indeed when one can get highly respected JHPs like the Federal 9mm 147 gr. HST for about 55 cents a round Federal Tactical HST Ammo, 9mm | Streichers.
New spin on the old idea of prefragmentation rounds. It'll be interesting to see the third party testing that's surely to follow. Of the prefrag rounds on the market, this one may have the potential to be the most effective of the lot. But is it so radically more effective than many of the high end hollow points currently available that it justifies the cost per round? I think I'll pass for now.
Looks like their website is back up after being taken down for maintenance.
They still list the 96 gr. bullet @ 1,265 fps as having 490 ft-lbs of muzzle energy even though it has been pointed out on this thread that the muzzle energy can be no more that 341 ft-lbs.
How odd. :22a: