I Am Resolute, Bigger Is Better, Diameter Over Capacity, I Will Carry A 45

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    I Am Resolute, Bigger Is Better, Diameter Over Capacity, I Will Carry A 45

    I have carried 9mm (briefly), 357 Sig, 40 S&W, 10mm and 45 within the last year.
    I allowed my shot timer to briefly sway me to the 9mm; however, I soon came back to my senses and realized that a .01-.03 slower 2nd shot is miniscule and I could / should carry a more powerful and / or larger bullet.
    My preference then varied from high KE with the 10mm or 357 Sig, to the compromise 40 S&W, or 45 for maximum diameter.

    No more indecision.

    I'm sticking with 45 diameter whether it be 6+1 of 45 acp/45 GAP (Glock 36, 39) or 8+1 45 acp/45 GAP (Glock 30SF, 38)

    Studies that show smaller bullets (9mm) being as effective as larger bullets (45) are based on bullets hitting various places in the torso of different people.
    Logically, if two bullets of equal design, struck the exact same spot the bigger bullet would offer a potentially quicker incapacitation against an attacker.
    I'm not buying the notion that the smaller one will work "just as well" as the bigger one:
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    Stories like this are not going to sway me back toward greater capacity over diameter:
    Why one cop carries 145 rounds of ammo on the job

    If unfortunately approached by an armed attacker (or two) in a parking lot demanding money and threatening life, a couple of well placed 45 bullets are more likely to incapacitate the attacker faster than a couple of equally well placed smaller bullets; I also think the one or two attacker scenario is more realistic than being attacked by a small crime mob where capacity would be obviously preferred.

    I am resolute to stick with 45 diameter bullets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDW4ME View Post
    I have carried 9mm (briefly), 357 Sig, 40 S&W, 10mm and 45 within the last year.
    I allowed my shot timer to briefly sway me to the 9mm; however, I soon came back to my senses and realized that a .01-.03 slower 2nd shot is miniscule and I could / should carry a more powerful and / or larger bullet.
    My preference then varied from high KE with the 10mm or 357 Sig, to the compromise 40 S&W, or 45 for maximum diameter.

    No more indecision.

    I'm sticking with 45 diameter whether it be 6+1 of 45 acp/45 GAP (Glock 36, 39) or 8+1 45 acp/45 GAP (Glock 30SF, 38)

    Studies that show smaller bullets (9mm) being as effective as larger bullets (45) are based on bullets hitting various places in the torso of different people.
    Logically, if two bullets of equal design, struck the exact same spot the bigger bullet would offer a potentially quicker incapacitation against an attacker.
    I'm not buying the notion that the smaller one will work "just as well" as the bigger one:
    940451.jpg 940452.jpg

    Stories like this are not going to sway me back toward greater capacity over diameter:
    Why one cop carries 145 rounds of ammo on the job

    If unfortunately approached by an armed attacker (or two) in a parking lot demanding money and threatening life, a couple of well placed 45 bullets are more likely to incapacitate the attacker faster than a couple of equally well placed smaller bullets; I also think the one or two attacker scenario is more realistic than being attacked by a small crime mob where capacity would be obviously preferred.

    I am resolute to stick with 45 diameter bullets.
    There is no doubt that there is an advantage to be had by using a bigger/heavier/wider bullet.

    Just how much of an advantage there is, well, that's hard to say definitively, but even if it is just small advantage, I'll take it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDW4ME View Post
    I have carried 9mm (briefly), 357 Sig, 40 S&W, 10mm and 45 within the last year.
    I allowed my shot timer to briefly sway me to the 9mm; however, I soon came back to my senses and realized that a .01-.03 slower 2nd shot is miniscule and I could / should carry a more powerful and / or larger bullet.
    My preference then varied from high KE with the 10mm or 357 Sig, to the compromise 40 S&W, or 45 for maximum diameter.

    No more indecision.

    I'm sticking with 45 diameter whether it be 6+1 of 45 acp/45 GAP (Glock 36, 39) or 8+1 45 acp/45 GAP (Glock 30SF, 38)

    Studies that show smaller bullets (9mm) being as effective as larger bullets (45) are based on bullets hitting various places in the torso of different people.
    Logically, if two bullets of equal design, struck the exact same spot the bigger bullet would offer a potentially quicker incapacitation against an attacker.
    I'm not buying the notion that the smaller one will work "just as well" as the bigger one:
    940451.jpg 940452.jpg

    Stories like this are not going to sway me back toward greater capacity over diameter:
    Why one cop carries 145 rounds of ammo on the job

    If unfortunately approached by an armed attacker (or two) in a parking lot demanding money and threatening life, a couple of well placed 45 bullets are more likely to incapacitate the attacker faster than a couple of equally well placed smaller bullets; I also think the one or two attacker scenario is more realistic than being attacked by a small crime mob where capacity would be obviously preferred.

    I am resolute to stick with 45 diameter bullets.
    Well, OK, I guess if you insist, then you have my permission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 481 View Post
    There is no doubt that there is an advantage to be had by using a bigger/heavier/wider bullet.

    Just how much of an advantage there is, well, that's hard to say definitively, but even if it is just small advantage, I'll take it.
    Ah, but by that same token if you can shoot just a little bit faster with 9mm, isn't that also an advantage you would want? I really think it's a no-brainer that a .45 is better than a 9mm... but is one .45 better than two 9mm's? Are two .45's better than 3 or 4 9mm's?

    So shoot the biggest caliber you can shoot quickly and accurately and drive on. That really ought to put an end to the Caliber Wars...
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    If it works for you that's all that matters. Stay resolute and carry on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad426 View Post
    Ah, but by that same token if you can shoot just a little bit faster with 9mm, isn't that also an advantage you would want? I really think it's a no-brainer that a .45 is better than a 9mm... but is one .45 better than two 9mm's? Are two .45's better than 3 or 4 9mm's?

    So shoot the biggest caliber you can shoot quickly and accurately and drive on. That really ought to put an end to the Caliber Wars...
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    Works for me. I carry a government size 1911 in .45 ACP about 95% of the time with Winchester PDX1 230 grain. My one and only 9mm is a Sig P938 only carried as a pocket BUG. My other carry calibers are 10mm and .44 magnum for occasional rural and woods carry.
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    It's good to be resolute. I fully support your decision... For you.

    I am just as resolute that the 9mm I carry will protect me. If I'm wrong, please feel free to say, "told ya so".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad426 View Post
    Ah, but by that same token if you can shoot just a little bit faster with 9mm, isn't that also an advantage you would want? I really think it's a no-brainer that a .45 is better than a 9mm... but is one .45 better than two 9mm's? Are two .45's better than 3 or 4 9mm's?

    So shoot the biggest caliber you can shoot quickly and accurately and drive on. That really ought to put an end to the Caliber Wars...
    I never said that being able to shoot "a little bit faster" wasn't an advantage. I am sure that it is......if one can keep their fire on target.

    In adhering to OP's topic under discussion, namely "Bigger Is Better, Diameter Over Capacity", I merely confined my response to the mass and diameter of the bullets we use since it would be kinda rude to take the thread off-topic like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 481 View Post
    I never said that being able to shoot "a little bit faster" wasn't an advantage. I am sure that it is......if one can keep their fire on target.

    In adhering to OP's topic under discussion, namely "Bigger Is Better, Diameter Over Capacity", I merely confined my response to the mass and diameter of the bullets we use since it would be kinda rude to take the thread off-topic like that.
    Since the OP included the line "I allowed my shot timer to briefly sway me to the 9mm; however, I soon came back to my senses and realized that a .01-.03 slower 2nd shot is miniscule and I could / should carry a more powerful and / or larger bullet." I hardly think I took it off-topic (much less rudely).

    No offense intended, sheesh.
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    No doubt that a 45 is better than a 9mm. Heck I would agree that a 40 S&W and a 357 Sig are better too. Maybe sometime I'll check out a gun like the XDs in 45.
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