357 Sig versus 40 S&W out of Glock 32/23 and 33/27

357 Sig versus 40 S&W out of Glock 32/23 and 33/27

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    357 Sig versus 40 S&W out of Glock 32/23 and 33/27

    I decided to obtain fresh chrono data today with 4 of my pistols, average for 5 shots:

    Glock 32:
    Winchester Ranger T 125 gr. @ 1,334 fps / 494# KE / PF 167
    Speer Gold Dot 125 gr. @ 1,344 fps / 501# KE / PF 168
    Federal HST 125 gr. @ 1,358 fps / 512# KE / PF 170

    Glock 23:
    Federal Hydra-Shok 180 gr. @ 969 fps / 375# KE / PF 174
    Remington Golden Saber 165 gr. @ 1,048 fps / 402# KE / PF 173
    Winchester Ranger T 165 @ 1,146 fps / 481# KE / PF 189

    Glock 33:
    Winchester Ranger T 125 gr. @ 1,280 fps / 455# KE / PF 160
    Speer Gold Dot 125 gr. @ 1,284 fps / 458# KE / PF 161
    Federal HST 125 gr. @ 1,315 fps / 480# KE / PF 164

    Glock 27:
    Federal Hydra-Shok 180 gr. @ 940 fps / 353# KE / PF 169
    Remington Golden Saber 165 gr. @ 1,028 fps / 387# KE / PF 170
    Winchester Ranger T 165 @ 1,113 fps / 454# KE / PF 184

    The 40 S&W Ranger T 165 displayed in the most deviation over the chrono; I shot three or four groups of 5 over the chrono before I was satisfied with the result.
    PF = power factor which is a calculation that can be used to compare recoil in similar pistols.
    In 40 S&W notice the PF difference between the 180 Hydra-Shok and the 165 Ranger T, that is felt when shooting.

    I prefer the recoil impulse of the 357 Sig loads or the 180 Hydra-Shok 40 S&W.
    The Remington 165 GS is similar in recoil, but it has harder primers and that Glock 23 ejects the brass from the 180 Hydra-Shok the most consistently and in the desired location (not over my head).
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    That's some useful data to chew on. I just love this sort of stuff. Thanks for taking the time to post it.

    That Glock 32's got some humming velocities.

    I've not shot enough of either .40 S&W or .357 SIG to gain an impression about relative recoil.
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    Thanks.
    The 32 doesn't seem to have much recoil for spitting 500# KE.
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    Thanks for sharing

    I haven't had a chance to try out the .357 sig, but I have shot my friends G23. How does shooting the G32 compare to the .40?
    I've heard people say the .357 sig is louder and snappier are they full of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockstar View Post
    Thanks for sharing

    I haven't had a chance to try out the .357 sig, but I have shot my friends G23. How does shooting the G32 compare to the .40?
    I've heard people say the .357 sig is louder and snappier are they full of it?
    My subjective impression is the 357 Sig recoils less than 40 S&W, especially the hotter 40 (Ranger 165, Gold Dot 155)
    The PF calculation supports my impression.
    Subjectively, the recoil is different even if the PF is nearly the same.
    My 2nd shot times are nearly the same with 180 gr. 40 S&W and 357 Sig loads; I'm not sure how much the hotter 40 loads would increase 2nd shot time.
    The is no doubt that the 357 Sig is louder.
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    Currently my only 357 Sig is my Glock 31 C. It has no recoil at all to speak of. I have it stoked with Federal HST's, I feel they are the best bullet today for SD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
    That's some useful data to chew on. I just love this sort of stuff. Thanks for taking the time to post it.

    That Glock 32's got some humming velocities.

    I've not shot enough of either .40 S&W or .357 SIG to gain an impression about relative recoil.
    Yeah, this is the stuff that gets my attention also. I've not really played with the sig, but I've found the recoil with any 40 load to be quite manageable from my 27, even one handed.
    I've got some 180 weight loads that clock over 1000fps from the short 3.5 inch 27 barrel that I really, really like.
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    I'm leaning towards (another) Gen 4 32. The 357 SIG has long been a favorite.

    A bit spendy, though.

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    The .357 Sig was designed at 1450fps and the only place I know that sells the real stuff is Underwood. The Underwood .357 Sig is rated at 1475fps and will test 1500fps or better. Maybe Buffalo Bore or Corbon might have the real .357 Sig ammo. Just like the 10mm and other ammo in the US the .357 Sig has gotten watered down from its original design and intent. It does not shoot softer than .40 if the proper ammo is being used.


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    Thanks for the info.
    I am a .357 kinda guy.
    Be it Magnum or Sig, I've got both.
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    Nice post and interesting data. I'll likely be getting a .357 sig drop in barrel for my G35 in the near future mainly just because it should be fun to see what kind of velocities / energy levels can be obtained from the round out that longer 5.3 inch barrel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDW4ME View Post
    that Glock 23 ejects the brass from the 180 Hydra-Shok the most consistently and in the desired location (not over my head)[/I].
    I have another 23 that ejects brass perfectly.
    I put a Glock 32 barrel in the finicky 23- after 100 rounds with four different hollow points- brass ejection was perfect.
    The finicky 23 is gonna stay a pleasing 32.
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    I've been a .357 Sig fan since it's introduction. I'm NOT a ballistics whiz, but subjectively judged (between barrel-swapping the SAME pistol) that I find the Sig to be; less "snappy" in recoil (confirmed by split times) and a louder report. Yet I've also noted, when shooting steel poppers, that the target plates seem to fall with more "gusto" when hit by the higher FPS of the lighter .357 Sig than with the 180 gr. .40 S&W. Maybe they just clang...louder?
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    For those of us who don't speak "Glock", what are the barrel lengths of the various models?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost tracker View Post
    I've been a .357 Sig fan since it's introduction. I'm NOT a ballistics whiz, but subjectively judged (between barrel-swapping the SAME pistol) that I find the Sig to be; less "snappy" in recoil (confirmed by split times) and a louder report. Yet I've also noted, when shooting steel poppers, that the target plates seem to fall with more "gusto" when hit by the higher FPS of the lighter .357 Sig than with the 180 gr. .40 S&W. Maybe they just clang...louder?


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