38 Spl +P 158 gr JHP???

38 Spl +P 158 gr JHP???

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    38 Spl +P 158 gr JHP???

    My friends and I have been trying to find some 38 spl +P 158 gr JHP for our S&W 640's. We all carried our 640's as our BUG's while on patrol and our Dept gave us Speer or Winchester 158 gr +P JHP's. I have been checking Ammoseek, Gunbot and other places and I haven't seen this stuff listed anywhere. Buffalo Bore makes some 158 gr +P stuff, but I won't use their ammo. I know the 158 gr +P JHP is a Law Enforcement round, but why is it so hard to find? ---Sturgis
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    Just curious. Why won't you use Buffalo Bore ammo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedogfather View Post
    Just curious. Why won't you use Buffalo Bore ammo?
    I have no idea why the OP won't use Buffalo Bore, but I prefer not to buy their products either. IMO it's one of the most gimmicky over-priced ammo out there. I do enjoy reading the CEO's (or whoever writes the little synopsis of each round's incredible, supercalifragilisticexpialidocious ability) as comic relief every once in a while though. I just find it funny that they tote their products as the best you can buy when in reality it's just another companies bullet and another companies brass with a little extra powder assembled in the same giant styrofoam case for every caliber. At least that has been my experience at $1.30 a bullet. Sorry, rant over, continue with the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thedogfather View Post
    Just curious. Why won't you use Buffalo Bore ammo?
    I consider their ammo to be over priced and I feel their quality control is lacking. Some guys like Buffalo Bore and its "Hot Loads", but I would rather use ammo that is more consistant, especially in older guns. I'm still trying to find some brand name 38 spl 158 gr +P JHP's. I'm open to suggestions????---Sturgis
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    Have tried several hundred bb rounds very consistent. At first I did not really believe the claims of 1225 fps out of a short barrel but they are real they hover between 1230 an 1245 out of my SP 101 2.4 very low flash an smoke really like the round. 125 jhp. Also like the 158 gr standard pressure low smoke an flash for my 642 very controllable very accurate. The 147 gr 9 mm penetrators however did not feed reliably in my CZ which has eaten everything else I have ever fed it. The owner or manager I spoke to has absolutely no ability to talk to anyone on the phone very snotty attitude but I want something to carry that really performs an these do.
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    I lucked out and found a box of Federal Premium .38 spl +P 158 grain SWC-HP Nyclads.
    Use them for carry only.
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    I have some Win. 158+P JHP bullets that I shot into water a few years ago. They did not expand at all from 2" or 3" barrels. Win. and Rem. LSWCHPs did, although it wasn't impressive.
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    I like the 158 weight bullets in 38spl. But just get some 158 weight lswc rounds in standard pressure and call it good. +p in a 38 short barrel is only going to get you 35-55 fps more, and with those low velocities, you probably won't get any real expansion from a JHP anyway.

    You want straight line penetration, and that's where the lswc rules.

    Try Double Tap ammo. They will have what you want, and it's good stuff.
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    Nothing on the planet more "gimmicky" than +p ammo! Solution to a problem that NEVER existed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sturgis View Post
    I consider their ammo to be over priced and I feel their quality control is lacking. Some guys like Buffalo Bore and its "Hot Loads", but I would rather use ammo that is more consistant, especially in older guns. I'm still trying to find some brand name 38 spl 158 gr +P JHP's. I'm open to suggestions????---Sturgis
    Most folks who have used and tested them informally seem to think they are pretty much in line with what they claim. Their .32h&R seems to be pretty much what they claim, in my experience, though it is pricy. Looks like in some instances at least it seems to be worth it. Would be interested in the basis of your, and similar, conclusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    I like the 158 weight bullets in 38spl. But just get some 158 weight lswc rounds in standard pressure and call it good. +p in a 38 short barrel is only going to get you 35-55 fps more, and with those low velocities, you probably won't get any real expansion from a JHP anyway.

    You want straight line penetration, and that's where the lswc rules.

    Try Double Tap ammo. They will have what you want, and it's good stuff.
    Thats what i understand also +p in a short 2 inch barrel not gaining anything much other than more flash.

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    Glockman 10mm, I'm with you to an extent. I like the 158 LSWCHP +P .38 Special for carry. I figure if it expands, great, if it doesn't, so be it. Most of of my shooting is done with home cast 158 gr LSW's. Practice, plinking, field, and hunting. The LSW profile has always done right by me.
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    Hey OP, you might want to check out this load:



    It's what I carry in my M642. I've researched numerous loads for .38 special snub nose revolvers and this one comes out on top almost every time. It even narrowly beats the coveted Speer Gold Dot 135 gr. Short Barrel .38 special +P by penetrating slightly deeper (about 14") and expanding to over .60 caliber. It is also very consistent, with moderate recoil in my airweight.

    Also unlike many loads, like the Speer load just mentioned, I've had good luck finding these rounds for sale online.

    Hope this helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugeroo357 View Post
    Hey OP, you might want to check out this load:



    It's what I carry in my M642. I've researched numerous loads for .38 special snub nose revolvers and this one comes out on top almost every time. It even narrowly beats the coveted Speer Gold Dot 135 gr. Short Barrel .38 special +P by penetrating slightly deeper (about 14") and expanding to over .60 caliber. It is also very consistent, with moderate recoil in my airweight.

    Also unlike many loads, like the Speer load just mentioned, I've had good luck finding these rounds for sale online.


    Hope this helps!
    I agree with you on this. When I carry a factory 38 load it's the GS round. It's got some pop to it, and I like the brass jacket, always have since I started using it in 1995. To my knowledge, nothing beats it off the shelf.
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    Speer Gold Dot .38 Special +P 135 gr Ammo test
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    Simple penetration and expansion test of the Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel cartridge, .38 Special +P, 135 grain hollowpoint, using a diluted form of SIM-test Ballistic testing Media. This format is comparable to ballistic gel, and includes four layers of denim. Video includes brief overview of the cartridge, recoil shots, and one shot test. Post-shot evaluation shows bullet path through the block, average diameter, and retained weight. test gun was a Smith & Wesson model 438, 1 7/8" barrel. Advertised muzzle velocity is 860 fps, my 5-shot average was 835 fps
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    Penetration was 12 3/8 in.
    FOUR layers of denim.
    Ave size of bullet was almost .55 when expanded.
    FOUR layers of denim.
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