.357 magnum out of a snub nose - not worth it?

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    .357 magnum out of a snub nose - not worth it?

    Stumbled upon this video by Brass Fetcher on YouTube. I take their gel tests with a grain of salt but there are theoretical numbers to back their findings.



    I recognize the potency of the .357 magnum out of a 4+ length revolver but I've always wondered if it was a waste of time using it from a 2 or less inch snub nose? The light weight and recoil from an airweight snub can make anyone beg for mercy. And the muzzle flash from all the unburnt magnum powder is pretty legendary.

    All that wasted powder and impossible to control recoil makes me wonder if I should even bother shooting .357 out of my 340PD? I currently only use .38 (up to +P) in it. I've shot .357 from my old KLCR before and it was like a root canal with each trigger pull.


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    .357 out of an airweight? Not if you want to take your hand home with you...........LOL

    My 686 snubbie handles .357 quite well. And Gramps went on a "load .357's" spree, so we gotta use them up.

    Gramps also used to have an airweight. Note: Used to.
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    I went through this thought process when I decided to buy a Ruger LCR. I decided it wasn't worth the extra $50 and additional 4 ounces. A +P .38 round is wild enough to shoot.

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    I have some DoubleTap 158 gr .38 Spl + P SWCs for my LCR, rated at 900 fps out of a snub. Out of such a light weight revolver, it is "entertaining" to shoot. I cannot imagine firing full house .357 Mag out of anything close to that light weight.

    I am in the hunt for a 3 inch SP101. That would be more my choice for full house .357 Mag loads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DetChris View Post
    Stumbled upon this video by Brass Fetcher on YouTube. I take their gel tests with a grain of salt but there are theoretical numbers to back their findings.



    I recognize the potency of the .357 magnum out of a 4+ length revolver but I've always wondered if it was a waste of time using it from a 2 or less inch snub nose? The light weight and recoil from an airweight snub can make anyone beg for mercy. And the muzzle flash from all the unburnt magnum powder is pretty legendary.

    All that wasted powder and impossible to control recoil makes me wonder if I should even bother shooting .357 out of my 340PD? I currently only use .38 (up to +P) in it. I've shot .357 from my old KLCR before and it was like a root canal with each trigger pull.


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    Never had a recoil problem from a model 19 or Model 66.

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    Not sure about it myself, my SP has enough weight along with big grips help absorb recoil. I would not want a steady diet of 125gr JHP but up to fifty rounds no prob. Pretty easy to stay on target for follow ups. I would think if you practice with .38spl an at the end of range time throw a couple .357s down range just to desensitize yourself to them. If the time comes you need it the last thing on your mind will be the recoil. I am sure you are aware of the .357's out there for short barrels low flash low smoke they work quite well, BB is what I am used to they really do get the velocity they claim. So far I am happy carrying them. As far as airweight it has to be a little more challenging but as I said if you find yourself in a position to need it recoil wont be a main concern. image.jpg

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    .357 mag worth it over 38 spl out of snub or anything else for SD? Yep everyday all day and twice on Sunday.
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    Without a doubt you will get a velocity loss due to the shorter barrel, which is obvious to everyone. Comparing similar grain weights of other .36 caliber rounds, like the 9mm and the .357 Sig for example, you will find the numbers start getting close together when fired from platforms like the Glock 26 and Glock 33. Some loads will even beat the old Magnum in velocity. The attributes of a revolver are the one constant in the equation, if one utilizes one that has a full length ejector rod. Where the Magnum and other .36 calibers shine is when they are driven to the high velocities like those achieved from the 4" barrel. So if one admires the combat attributes of the revolver (contact shots, trigger pull for immediate action drill, etc.) and recoil is not a factor, then yeah, I can see carrying one with hot loads. If not, then a similar sized auto that carries more on tap ammo, and sends rounds down range at similar velocities is the logical way to go.

    I will say that wheelguns are not as particular about ammo as their semi-auto counterparts, and can fire the old school semi-jacketed HP's. These are the ones we carried as cops back in the revolver days and they worked very well. There is a lot to like about a short barreled sixgun, and they have seen the "lion's share" of pistol work in defensive settings. I would still feel well heeled with one today.
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    Yeah, I over think barrel length, I traded my 2 inch SP101 for a 3 inch SP101.(both .357 mag) Did I gain all that much? I dunno. I know this, my bud I sold my 2 inch SP101 to dosen't worry about it, he feels well armed with his 2 inch .357, and i'm sure he is.
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    Easy solution. With a 2 inch barrel, you use a faster burning powder, and a heavier bullet.
    4 inch = 125 weight and H110
    2 inch= 158 weight and Unique

    This does not make them completely equal with respect to velocity, but does balance out potential terminal effect capability so with regards to penetration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    I have some DoubleTap 158 gr .38 Spl + P SWCs for my LCR, rated at 900 fps out of a snub. Out of such a light weight revolver, it is "entertaining" to shoot. I cannot imagine firing full house .357 Mag out of anything close to that light weight.

    I am in the hunt for a 3 inch SP101. That would be more my choice for full house .357 Mag loads.
    I've shot .357 out of a SP101 and IMO that's the minimum you'd ever want to shoot that round out of. It's stout but manageable. An airweight 2 inch snubby like a KLCR is terribly under equipped for that kind of firepower.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DetChris View Post
    I've shot .357 out of a SP101 and IMO that's the minimum you'd ever want to shoot that round out of. It's stout but manageable. An airweight 2 inch snubby like a KLCR is terribly under equipped for that kind of firepower.


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    Its more a question of the shooters sensitivity to recoil than it is a question of 38 sp being equal to .357 mag out of the same barrel length regardless what that length is. 38 even +p simply doesnt equal a full house .357 mag in any universe.

    Not saying 38 wont do the job. But its no .357 mag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    Never had a recoil problem from a model 19 or Model 66.

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    I had the LCR 357 and shooting it was akin to holding a rattlesnake by the tail. It hurt and second shots were not accurate or easy to get off. I am good size 6'0 and 200 as well as a gym rat that can bench over 300

    I traded it for the 38 special LCR that's lighter and much more controllable


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