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    Revlar, I am not sure, that is why I am asking. I have heard some people comment that they carry what it is the local PD carries. Take the PD thought one step further, what about carrying in your carry pistol that which your Local SWAT or HRT carries???

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    Several companies make frangible ammo designed for practice. It's fairly cheap and disintegrates when striking a hard surface, so yes, it's safer. No LE agency that I know of uses frangible ammo for duty. LEOs face many situations where penetration of barriers is needed. Not to mention the PR problems of using such ammo. There's a forum for LEOs here. Go ask them.

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    Last year, I was able to take a whitetail with the 150 gr. .30-06 round. The resulting devistation was pretty amazing. I happen to live in the same small town where this stuff is produced. During deer season, the local sporting goods store is pretty full of evidence of the rounds effectiveness. The owner started out just making reloads and selling them locally....I've used his stuff for several years. I do think his new rounds are WAY too expensive...but for defensive use, it's well worth the money.

    Email him and ask for a copy of his "proff" video....pretty amazing stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevmullins
    Last year, I was able to take a whitetail with the 150 gr. .30-06 round. The resulting devistation was pretty amazing. I happen to live in the same small town where this stuff is produced. During deer season, the local sporting goods store is pretty full of evidence of the rounds effectiveness. The owner started out just making reloads and selling them locally....I've used his stuff for several years. I do think his new rounds are WAY too expensive...but for defensive use, it's well worth the money.
    We saw this ammunition at the SHOT Show and while it looked like it would be effective in a defensive situation, the resulting fragmented round (mostly very small particles and "dustlike" material) doesn't look like something I would want to use on an animal I was going to eat. I like venison, but grit (not grits) is normally avoided in my diet. Does the fragmented round in reality make the mess that the display in their marketing materials?
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    Ok, I know this post took a bit of a turn, but Ammo Lab did some testing on Extreme Shock Ammo..yeah...

    Quote Originally Posted by David DiFabio
    We have tested the 9mm Extreme Shock Explosive Entry Fang Face and Air Freedom rounds as made by the Mullins Brothers of Mullins Ammunition. Unlike their standard 9mm jhp +p loading which was tested using the Remington 115gr component bullets the EE and AF rounds produce very different results from the result we usually see from top of the pack handgun ammunition products.

    Prior to the testing Jeff Mullins & I corresponded me via email and he informed me that they would provide the ammunition for our own internal tests provided we did not publish the test results as according to their own internal research the tests using properly prepared and calibrated ordnance gelatin would not fully represent his products claims and capabilities. We chose to decline and purchased the ammo independently although Jeff did mail me a CD full of product information and the video of a board reportedly being killed with a .380 EE product.

    Oddly enough although we have purchased the EE and AF rounds from three separate retail sources for comparison the bullets do not in fact look like the ones shown in the photos here: http://www.extremeshockusa.com/cgist...fo.html&setup=

    The bullets shown on the web page look very similar in jacketing style to one the late Charlie Kelsey's patented Grabber bullets but the delivered products have a different jacketing cut and style.

    From the G17 test pistol the 9MM124FF 124gr loading averaged 1,094fps for the five rounds tested and two and five bullets impacted the test media in a side-ward manner resulting in immediate and nearly complete bullet construction failure and the deepest fragment measured .04" and penetrated to 4.6". The remaining three rounds averaged deepest fragment penetrations of 7.1" and the largest of these fragments was .06".

    From the G17 test pistol the 9MM85AFR 85gr loading averaged 1,487fps for the five rounds tested and all five loads impacted 1.9" below POA using our hydraulic rest system at 7 yards. In properly prepared and calibrated ordnance gelatin without any barriers the two test rounds averaged 4.6" of penetration with a very short and abrupt wound channel very closely resembling the initial wound channel of the Double Tap 135gr jhp 10mm loadings we were also testing that day with the obvious loss of the remaining 4.4-5.2" of wound channel volume. To test the anti-penetration capabilities of the AF ammunition we then mounted a 14"x14"x18 gage cold rolled steel test panel 3" in front of the gelatin test media. Three out of three rounds tested penetrated through each 18g steel panel and average gelatin penetration was 3.7" with the vast majority of the bullet becoming fragmenting into a thick powder like form.

    In the interest of disclosure the tested ammunition was purchased online from Kieslers for while they were "dumping" the products for $3-$5 for each 5 rd package in early 2004 http://www.kieslersonline.com/onlinestore.asp
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Zach1
    Ok, I know this post took a bit of a turn, but Ammo Lab did some testing on Extreme Shock Ammo..yeah...

    good post Zach. i guess AmmoLab really put a stop to all us people wondering about Extreme Shock Ammo.

    Me personally, i just like sticking to tried and true stuff from name brand manufacturers. i just can't see myself buying from a company that advertises their stuff with guys dressed in everything "tacticle" possible to the point where stuff is just getting in their way.

    And this might just be my messed up mind thinking this, but it sure does look to me like in ever single ad they put out, these SWAT looking guys are always just coming out of some sort of explosion. This ammo just looks like its aimed towards the mall ninja's to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumper
    We saw this ammunition at the SHOT Show and while it looked like it would be effective in a defensive situation, the resulting fragmented round (mostly very small particles and "dustlike" material) doesn't look like something I would want to use on an animal I was going to eat. I like venison, but grit (not grits) is normally avoided in my diet. Does the fragmented round in reality make the mess that the display in their marketing materials?

    In the one (and only one) deer that I took with this stuff, the fragmantation occured inside the animal with no material found in the shoulder (the hit was behind the left shoulder and kinda low). The round tore up a lot of the vitals to include heart and lungs and produced no exit wound.

    I will say that I haven't used the stuff any more during hunting season. Not that it didn't do the job, I just don't really see his stuff as hunting ammo (I like exit wounds with good blood trails). It's also very expensive to shoot much on my budget. Like someone else stated...he's marketing this stuff for SWAT which kinda limits its uses to me. I do have some of the .38 Spl I carry in a derringer though....

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    I currently have MagSafe Defenders as the chamber round and top round in the mag in my carry guns. Below that I keep four Cor-Bon JHP's, with the bottom of the mag and spare mag being good-quality FMJ's.

    Having tested the Magsafes, Cor-bons, Gold Dots, and several other brands at the range, this is the loadout that I have become comfortable with.

    If I ever have to actually fire my weapon at an attacker, I do not plan on firing only once. My reasoning for topping off with the Magsafes is A) safety, minimized danger of ricochet & overpenetration and B) extreme velocity. The recoil and report from a .380 Magsafe feels more like a .40. (The recoil and report from the hard-to-find Magsafe 7.62x25's has to be experienced. Suffice to say the muzzle flame was over two feet long from a CZ-52)
    I don't expect them to penetrate significantly, I merely hope to maximize the shock factor to the assailant with those first two shots and hopefully convince him to alter his plans for the evening. If the assailant's actions require me to continue firing, the Cor-Bons seem to be the hottest JHP defense loads out there. (In fact they make about the only .380 +p I've seen).

    If after four Cor-bons have exited the barrel, there is still a threat, it's time to depend on maximum penetration, and take the risk of ricochet and/or overpenetration, hence the FMJ's.

    Of course, in an actually shooting scenario, I don't expect my brain to be capable of considering what type of ammo I am firing or even how many shots have been fired, most likely. I would expect my brain in that situation to not be able to rationally process anything but "Is the attacker on the ground?" No = pull trigger again. Yes = cease fire.
    This is why it seems logical to me to think through the ammo load and sequence of rounds in advance.

    After reading some of the posts here, though, I'm considering swapping out those Magsafes for Glasers.
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    Question MagSafe or Glaser?

    Quote Originally Posted by cls12vg30
    I currently have MagSafe Defenders as the chamber round and top round in the mag in my carry guns. Below that I keep four Cor-Bon JHP's, with the bottom of the mag and spare mag being good-quality FMJ's.

    Having tested the Magsafes, Cor-bons, Gold Dots, and several other brands at the range, this is the loadout that I have become comfortable with.

    If I ever have to actually fire my weapon at an attacker, I do not plan on firing only once. I would expect my brain in that situation to not be able to rationally process anything but "Is the attacker on the ground?" No = pull trigger again. Yes = cease fire.
    This is why it seems logical to me to think through the ammo load and sequence of rounds in advance.

    After reading some of the posts here, though, I'm considering swapping out those Magsafes for Glasers.
    I have to agree with you on almost all counts. I do exactly the same thing....sorta. I load my entire primary mag with only MagSafe (.45ACP 68gr SuperSwat) and my backup mags with Federal 185gr Hydra-Shok or CorBon or something similar. I also like Glaser...but only the SILVER line and not "Blue."

    Have you tried a brand called RBCD? http://www.rbcd.net They ain't cheap...but when it's ONE SHOT between you and the END.....
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    I checked out the website, Soldier. Those bullet weights seem awfully light, but it's something to think about.

    What exactly is the difference between the Glaser Silvers and Blues? I'm very interested in them, as I recall they were the first players in the frangible market.
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    the Glaser Silver user a larger shot than the Glaser Blue. I think it's #9 shot vs. #12 shot, respectively.
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    Exclamation Glasers

    Quote Originally Posted by cls12vg30
    I checked out the website, Soldier. Those bullet weights seem awfully light, but it's something to think about.

    What exactly is the difference between the Glaser Silvers and Blues? I'm very interested in them, as I recall they were the first players in the frangible market.
    Glaser Blue has little penetration it uses #12 shot in a resin substance and it's been known to prefragment on a heavy leather jacket. I think Glaser Siver uses either #6 or #9 shot and there is some form of more controlled fragmentation resulting in a deeper penetration. I've heard of Silver going through a side window on a car and still having penetration into a BG.

    You might try looking around the RBCD site. Some impressive pics and have you ever heard of a 45 screaming along at over 2000fps?
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    Simple--instead of guessing, go to Cor Bon's site and look at the Glaser stuff.
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    Inside of a fang face bullet

    The filler is not plastic, I cut one in half and here is the picture I took of it, The filler is tiny beads of materal pressed hard, It was almost like graphite, Very silver in color,
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