.223 ammo for personal defense?

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    .223 ammo for personal defense?

    Well, now that I have my nice new rifle, I'm trying to decide what sort of ammo I want to load it with for personal defense. I was wondering what sort of self defense ammunition others use in a .223 rifle. Do you go with 55gr hardball and rely on fragmentation, or go the controlled expansion (JHP/JSP) route?

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    JHP/JSp for me the jhp and jsp is going to break up a lot faster than a Hardball so if it does pass though the bad guy it more than likely wont make it though the wall

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    I use a lot of the American eagle (Federal) .223 50gr JHP. It shoots good in everything and it's pretty cheap. AE223g is the # I believe. I like it because it's light and fast and breaks up pretty quick, and that's the performance I'm looking for. If you want something that penetrates deeper, try the JSP. The 64gr JSP is good, but doesn't shoot in all rifles, (older ARs, Mini 14s, etc).

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    Hornady TAP. http://www.bushmaster.com/le/tests/h...ammunition.htm

    Less interior wall penetration than 9mm FMJ. Plenty of stopping power.

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    http://www.ammo-oracle.com/
    This should answer all your questions, and then some. In CQB I would rely on frag with regular old green tip. It has reliable fragmentation at close range and will penetrate less than 9mm, 45 or 40.

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    Not sure I'd want to be using a steel-core penetrator round for home defense.

    Regular old M193 would be a better choice, IMHO, if one were going to restrict oneself to the military stuff.

    Personally, my home defense load is the 60 gr. Hornady TAP.

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    Yeah, M193 would be slightly better. Both have green tips IIRC, I was speaking of M193 though. Also, I think both have steel penetrators, although I haven't read through the link I provided in quite a while. Even with the penetrator, the entire projectile should fragment reliably in close quarters.

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    oops, your right, M193 isn't green tipped. My bad.
    In reality either should be fine, inside a house either round should frag easily

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    Try this

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    http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/theboxotruth.htm
    Plenty of .223 tests in here, and all of it penetrates too much for my house. Even the frangible .223 would blow right through. Whatever you pick, choose your fields of fire carefully.

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    use the brand that shoots and groups the best in your gun. no matter which type it will go thru walls. one of the reasons a 20ga shotgun is great for the home. and the wife will shoot the 20ga over and over again at the range, but the 12ga she only gets 5 to 10 rounds before she put it down.
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    I have to disagree to a point. Of course ammo has to function, but groups don't matter much for CQB use. You do not want match ammo used for HD. Yes, all ammo will go through walls, but M193 will go through less walls, and will most likely NOT exit a bad guy. Pick the ammo that has the best terminal ballistics and also the least risk of overpenetration.

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    Q. Won't JSP and JHP rounds be safer indoors? Don't I have to worry about FMJ rounds going through walls and hurting my family or others?

    You always have to worry about it, of course, but even FMJ 5.56 rounds will have less wound potential after penetrating a wall than even 9mm handgun rounds. Generally after passing through an interior wall or two, 5.56 bullets will have lost enough velocity that resulting wound damage would be greatly diminished. It should be noted, however, that all of the above bullets are still potentially deadly to those on the other side of a wall, so plan accordingly. Interior walls are concealment, NOT cover.
    Fact: Evidence increasingly shows that 5.56 FMJ rounds like M193 and M855 are not the over-penetration risk they have often been though of as. In interior wall tests, 5.56 rounds have less wounding potential after wall strikes than any common 9mm or above handgun ammunition and/or 00 Buck shotgun loads.
    From ammo oracle for those that don't like to click on links :)

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    Try Federal TRU ammo if you can find it. Generally it is reserved for law enforcement only, but there are a few places to find it at. I know cheaperthandirt.com had some a while back. Go with the JSP in either the 55 or 64gr.

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    I like TAP as well

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    +1 on Hornady TAP

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