True 9mm or 9mm Luger

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    True 9mm or 9mm Luger

    Is there such a thing? I never owned a 9mm except for my Makarov which 9x18
    When you guys talk about 9mm ammo are you really saying 9x19 para?
    Trust me all I ever shot was my Mak my 32cal Mauser 45cal Glock and Kahr CW40
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    I'm guessing that 99.9% of people in this forum are referring to 9×19mm Parabellum when they say 9mm.
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    9x19mm, 9mm Luger, 9mm Parabellum, 9mm NATO is what most people mean when they say 9mm

    9mm Browning, 9mm short, or .380 Auto is usually called .380

    9x18mm or 9mm Makarov is usually called 9mm Makarov.
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    In a word; Yes.

    it is a bit confusing.

    When one says .30 cal., it could mead a myriad of calibers but when one says 9mm, the universal caliber that comes to mind immediately is 9x19(9mm).
    Doesn't matter what country you are in, it will be the same.
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    I think most if not all would be referring to the 9MM Luger rather than the 9x18 Mak.

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    In the USA most people say 9mm ( meaning 9mm nato 9x19 ) but yeah there is a lot of 9mm out there 9mm largo ( which trust me dont fire in 9mm ) 9mm kurz ( 380) .. 9/10 9 mm means 9x 19 unless otherwise mentiosn ... Cause outside of 380 and maybe 9x18 most of the other 9mm rounds are not in wide use in the usa anymore


    Fun note the 9x18 was made to be shorter then 9x19 so it could never be used in nato handguns in case of WW3...

    Also fun note the name for 9mm comes from the Latin phrase "if you want peace prepare for war " pretty kick but if you ask me ..

    The 9×19mm Parabellum (abbreviated 9mm, 9mmP, 9×19mm or 9×19) cartridge was designed by Georg Luger and introduced in 1902 by the German weapons manufacturer Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionsfabriken (DWM) for their Luger semi-automatic pistol.[5] For this reason, it is designated as the 9mm Luger / 9mm Luger +P by the SAAMI[6] and the 9 mm Luger by the C.I.P. (differentiating it from the 9mm Makarov and 9mm Browning cartridges). Under STANAG 4090, it is a standard cartridge for NATO forces as well as many non-NATO countries.[7]

    The name Parabellum is derived from the Latin: Si vis pacem, para bellum ("If you seek peace, prepare for war"), which was the motto of DWM.[8][9]



    Do note that there are some very very hot load 9mm out there that should be weary of too that are 9x19 but rifle only or limited used only ... Uzi ,rem the swedes the austrian all made 9x19 that is super hot SMG rounds and will go though body armor ..why you never see the stuff ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgrass101 View Post
    9x19mm, 9mm Luger, 9mm Parabellum, 9mm NATO is what most people mean when they say 9mm

    9mm Browning, 9mm short, or .380 Auto is usually called .380

    9x17mm or 9mm Makarov is usually called 9mm Makarov.
    Small point: 9x17 is .380, 9x18 is Makarov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obiejuan View Post
    Is there such a thing? I never owned a 9mm except for my Makarov which 9x18
    When you guys talk about 9mm ammo are you really saying 9x19 para?
    Trust me all I ever shot was my Mak my 32cal Mauser 45cal Glock and Kahr CW40
    Forgive my limited knowledge, Im a lover not a fighter
    While there are numerous 9mm rounds (.38 cal, 9x18mm, 9x19, 9x21, 9x23, etc) yes, when we discuss "9mm" we mean 9x19mm parabellum (luger)
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    ObieJuan I'm assuming you're speaking of handgun ammunition as there is a 9mm X 57 rifle! This should not corn-fuse one who liken himself to that noted Jedi warrior and sage to young Luke!


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    Yes sir, Sir Onacoma, the info is for my Beretta Nano it shouold arrive tomorrow...Yeppe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obiejuan View Post
    Yes sir, Sir Onacoma, the info is for my Beretta Nano it shouold arrive tomorrow...Yeppe.
    And the Nano in 9mm is definitely 9x19 (aka Luger, Parabellum) and not one of the others discussed in this thread.

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    Makarov which 9x18 is an odd ball . Many have never even heard of it , most only know of the 9mm as the 9x19 Luger
    The 380 is a downsized 9mm it is not an odd ball but a very popular round, just not talked about much at the big boy table

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    Now what is the round the first german luger came out in the civilian model. My father in law brought one back in WWII and it is not a 9x19. I was told it can fire the 9x19 if the barrel is changed, the round it takes now has a tapered case

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    Quote Originally Posted by bill35738 View Post
    Now what is the round the first german luger came out in the civilian model. My father in law brought one back in WWII and it is not a 9x19. I was told it can fire the 9x19 if the barrel is changed, the round it takes now has a tapered case
    I'm gonna guess 7.65x21 Parabellum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxwell97 View Post
    I'm gonna guess 7.65x21 Parabellum.
    I'd guess that that's the best guess. Better known in the U.S. as .30 Luger.
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