What to Believe About Stopping Power

What to Believe About Stopping Power

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    What to Believe About Stopping Power

    Really good article with basic info about terminal ballistics.


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    Well written article with some good points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bama61 View Post
    Well written article with some good points.
    Concur, very eloquent and concisely written.

    wrinkles, thanks for bringing it to our attention.
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    Facklerite/Dentist Roberts groupie..... Only thing that matters is expansion and penetration... Because we cannot accurately measure other effects they don't exist. According to this theory arrows with broadheads are just as good as defensive pistol rounds.

    Velocity does matter and attempts to dismiss it does not make it disappear. Velocity of 1300fps and beyond do work better when proper bullet construction is selected. If velocity under 2000fps doesn't matter we should all just use 38 S&W. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/38_S%26W
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    Other than insults and a link to the 38S&W wiki, don't know what for, what actual data do you have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrinkles View Post
    Other than insults and a link to the 38S&W wiki, don't know what for, what actual data do you have?
    The best data. What actually works on the streets. A track record. Also called history. The link you provided is like everything else here, an opinion. Everyone has one. Not trying to insult anyone. Just don't care for closed minded people that worship at the Facklerite altar. Of course the three things that determine stopping power is , shot placement, shot placement and shot placement.
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    Again forgoing the insults and name calling where is this data? How was it compiled?

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    Where is the data and how was it compiled that velocity plays no role in defensive ammo?

    Also, when deer hunting and your chosen round fails to work on multiple occasions do you continue to use it because learned people in the lab says its the best? (knowing that deer are not people, talking about decision making here) Or do you select something else that does work. That is, every round has a track record or history. If you don't like the person that touts it or their beliefs, do you not use it even though it works very well most every time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrwonderful View Post
    The best data. What actually works on the streets. A track record. Also called history.

    Of course the three things that determine stopping power is , shot placement, shot placement and shot placement.
    And that's the thing about history, even. Every single incident varies with respect to the path the shot traveled, what it struck, how it deflected, what media (clothing, windshield, wall) it had to go through, and so on. Even ~2-3mm difference in the path can make the difference between just ticking off the guy and him bleeding out rapidly.

    Agreed, though, that 'street' performance history over a long time can combine strongly with calibrated tests to form about the best view we have as to comparison between this or that round. In the end, though, it'll depend heavily whether one's next shot varies better or worse than those "averages" in such history and/or tests. We'll never know until we know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrwonderful View Post
    The best data. What actually works on the streets. A track record. Also called history. The link you provided is like everything else here, an opinion. Everyone has one. Not trying to insult anyone. Just don't care for closed minded people that worship at the Facklerite altar. Of course the three things that determine stopping power is , shot placement, shot placement and shot placement.
    Where's this data? The Street data, track record?

    Quote Originally Posted by mrwonderful View Post
    Where is the data and how was it compiled that velocity plays no role in defensive ammo?

    Also, when deer hunting and your chosen round fails to work on multiple occasions do you continue to use it because learned people in the lab says its the best? (knowing that deer are not people, talking about decision making here) Or do you select something else that does work. That is, every round has a track record or history. If you don't like the person that touts it or their beliefs, do you not use it even though it works very well most every time?
    Deer hunting has nothing to do with service pistol ammo selection.

    Again where is this track record, history you keep referring to? What does this track record prove? Velocity does create significant damage in service pistol rounds? You're gone into this hissy fit and you have yet to explain what exactly you are supporting let alone show verifiable data to back it up.

    Calm down take a breath.

    Explain you stance. Preferably without name calling or insults please.

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    I'm perfectly calm. Not at all butt-hurt that not everyone agrees with my beliefs.


    Reading is fundamental. "(knowing that deer are not people, talking about decision making here)"


    Others here seem to have no problem comprehending my points.

    Simply put the main point of my position is that penetration and expansion alone are not the only two factors in deciding what is a good defensive round. Your free to make your own opinions in this regard.
    You don't have to agree with me and I don't have to walk in lock step with those who think Fackler's position is the only position and anything else is heresy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Aaaand they're off!


    Beat me to it, Vet.
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