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Snake shot

This is a discussion on Snake shot within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I know there was a thread on snake shot just a while back But I couldn't find it. So here's another. Its snake season here. ...

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    Snake shot

    I know there was a thread on snake shot just a while back But I couldn't find it. So here's another.
    Its snake season here. And they are out in force! So I made some up using 180 grains of #8 shot over 3.5 grains of Tite Group. I tested them at 7 and 12 feet and was very surprised at the even patterns. I did have two loads open up and spill their shot, So Ill be sealing the next batch with glue. Ill try and get some pics of the process of putting them together. DR
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    Do you have any pics of your patterns? What caliber?

    I've killed dozens of copperheads with .38 CCI from a snub, but they're pricy, so I'm very interested in rolling my own. My interest has just been jacked up a bit - we've seen two coral snakes in the yard in the last week!
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    LOL! I use the standard CCI shot shells in my NAA mini 22WMR when I go fishing. I don't reload for pistol cartridges, but I know how useful pistol caliber shot shells can be. Patterns are good to know, but sometimes I'd rather have a flame-thrower. Do the best you can with what you have. Snakes piss me off especially when they are coming at me!
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    I bought some of the Speer shot capsules and instead of using shot I cut music wire in lengths to fit the capsule. Instead of punching nice little holes in Mr. Snake those spinning pieces of wire work more like throwing him in a Quisinart, they just slice and dice and leave the snake in quite a mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDavisArk View Post
    LOL! I use the standard CCI shot shells in my NAA mini 22WMR when I go fishing. I don't reload for pistol cartridges, but I know how useful pistol caliber shot shells can be. Patterns are good to know, but sometimes I'd rather have a flame-thrower. Do the best you can with what you have. Snakes piss me off especially when they are coming at me!


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    Quote Originally Posted by dangerranger View Post
    I know there was a thread on snake shot just a while back But I couldn't find it. So here's another.
    Its snake season here. And they are out in force! So I made some up using 180 grains of #8 shot over 3.5 grains of Tite Group. I tested them at 7 and 12 feet and was very surprised at the even patterns. I did have two loads open up and spill their shot, So Ill be sealing the next batch with glue. Ill try and get some pics of the process of putting them together. DR
    I load them all the time. How did they open up an spill the shot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    I bought some of the Speer shot capsules and instead of using shot I cut music wire in lengths to fit the capsule. Instead of punching nice little holes in Mr. Snake those spinning pieces of wire work more like throwing him in a Quisinart, they just slice and dice and leave the snake in quite a mess.
    That sounds nicely effective and evil. I like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDavisArk View Post
    ...Patterns are good to know, but sometimes I'd rather have a flame-thrower. Do the best you can with what you have.
    It's pretty important to know how a shotshell patterns if you're going to use it to defend yourself.

    The problem with "doing the best I can with what I have" is that they're so dang expensive! I've upgraded from .38 to .44 since seeing the coral snakes.

    Quote Originally Posted by JDavisArk View Post
    ...Snakes piss me off especially when they are coming at me!
    Amen!

    I've had a couple of encounters with rattlesnakes, quite a few (including a couple REALLY close encounters) with cottonmouths, and more than I can count with copperheads. I'm not particularly afraid of snakes, but the coral snakes are a whole new ballgame; they can stand the hair up on the back of my neck.

    With the grandkids, pets, and poultry around, they are not allowed on the property!!!
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    We will be moving to Biloxi MS soon. I hate snakes and especially poisonous ones. None in Wisconsin. Soooo any body familiar as to how many "bad" snakes I will likely see in subdivisions around Gulfport/Biloxi. Would .22 CCI shot shells kill them nasty critters?
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    Soooo any body familiar as to how many "bad" snakes I will likely see
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    Quote Originally Posted by bandrich View Post
    We will be moving to Biloxi MS soon. I hate snakes and especially poisonous ones. None in Wisconsin. Soooo any body familiar as to how many "bad" snakes I will likely see in subdivisions around Gulfport/Biloxi. Would .22 CCI shot shells kill them nasty critters?
    You will see copperheads. They are fairly timid, and not likely to bite unless you scare them or step on them. They do bite more people than any other venomous snake in the U.S. They won't kill you, but can inflict a NASTY, debilitating and/or disfiguring injury up to and including loss of a limb.

    If you're within a couple hundred yards of a pond or stream, you will see cottonmouths. They are more dangerous than copperheads, much bigger, and more aggressive. You could also encounter rattlesnakes or coral snakes, but they're much rarer.

    In my experience, a .22 is fine against a copperhead - my wife uses a 3" Rossi on them. You need a good head shot, though. I carry a .38 or .44 Special with shotshells. Never needed a 2nd shot with .38 or .44, but there have been a few times we've shot a 2nd time for insurance with the .22. Between the two of us, we've killed 60 or 70 of them.

    Against a big cottonmouth or rattler, I'd be a lot more comfortable with the .38. As I posted above, I'm using the .44 now that we're seeing coral snakes. They're not very big, and I'm sure a .22 would kill them in short order, but I want the extra horsepower of the .44 just 'cause they're so dang dangerous! They are VERY timid, though, and will "run" as soon as they see you. My wife has lived in S. Louisiana her whole life, and I've been here 25 years, and neither of us had ever seen one until this week, when we've seen two!

    DO NOT think you have to go out and buy some silly-azz .410 revolver or derringer for snakes. They're gross overkill for any snake in the U.S., and a total waste of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilowatt3 View Post
    In my experience, a .22 is fine against a copperhead - my wife uses a 3" Rossi on them. You need a good head shot, though. I carry a .38 or .44 Special with shotshells. Never needed a 2nd shot with .38 or .44, but there have been a few times we've shot a 2nd time for insurance with the .22. Between the two of us, we've killed 60 or 70 of them.
    Can you give us an idea of approximate distances you have used these rounds from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilowatt3 View Post
    You will see copperheads. They are fairly timid, and not likely to bite unless you scare them or step on them. They do bite more people than any other venomous snake in the U.S. They won't kill you, but can inflict a NASTY, debilitating and/or disfiguring injury up to and including loss of a limb.
    BTDT This was the result of being bitten by a huge 10-inch long copperhead. It took two months to completely heal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevew View Post
    I load them all the time. How did they open up an spill the shot?
    The over shot wad was just held in place by a roll crimp, recoil seems to have opened them. I tested two batches one glued closed and one held in with a crimp. both patterned well. All of them had enough recoil that primer setback was not an issue.

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