Next best thing?? G2R RIP Ammo

Next best thing?? G2R RIP Ammo

This is a discussion on Next best thing?? G2R RIP Ammo within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Came across this video and wondered if this is the next "Best Thing"....or if it is the next useless gimmick. I have limited ballistics experience ...

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    Next best thing?? G2R RIP Ammo

    Came across this video and wondered if this is the next "Best Thing"....or if it is the next useless gimmick.

    I have limited ballistics experience and wanted to throw it out there for the DC community to share knowledge and thoughts regarding this product.

    Looks innovative despite the over the top marketing tone with the video.





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    Next best thing?? G2R RIP Ammo

    From their website FAQ

    FAQS
    Are there any feeding issues?
    The full auto pistols used in the test are to demonstrate that there are no feeding issues with the RIP rounds. We used most common semi autos available and had zero feed or jamming issues .

    What kind of ballistic gel do you use?
    We use Clear Ballistics ballistic gel. They follow the FBI Protocol for calibrating ballistic gelatin developed in 1988. This protocol is as follows: “firing a standard .177 caliber (4.5 mm) steel BB from an air gun over a chronograph at 590 feet per second (fps), plus or minus 15 fps into the ballistic gelatin. The penetration of the steel BB must result in 8.5 centimeters (cm), plus or minus 1 cm, penetration (2.95 inches to 3.74 inches.) The steel BB must penetrate within that range to pass as ballisticgelatin.” All of our ballistic gelatin in its finished state passes this protocol 100%.

    What is the design purpose of 9 separate channels of path for this cartridge ?
    This bullet was purposely designed to break into 9 separate paths. Once the bullet penetrates its target, high velocity fragmentation will increase the effect of temporary and permanent cavitation. The 8 fragments sheared from the bullet cause many small permanent cavities around the main entry point. This causes multiple wound channels that will effectively hit vital organs for the eventual complete termination of interest. The main mass base of the bullet can continue its path and cause a truly massive amount of tearing as the perforated tissue is stretched.

    Why is penetration so important?
    According to Dr. Martin Fackler and the International Wound Ballistics Association (IWBA), between 12.5 and 14 inches (318 and 356 mm) of penetration in calibrated tissue simulant is optimal performance for a bullet which is meant to be used defensively, against a human adversary. They also believe that penetration is one of the most important factors when choosing a bullet (and that the number one factor is shot placement). If the bullet penetrates less than their guidelines, it is inadequate, and if it penetrates more, it is still satisfactory though not optimal. The FBI's penetration requirement is very similar at 12 to 18 inches (305 to 457 mm).

    A penetration depth of 12.5 to 14 inches (318 and 356 mm) may seem excessive, but a bullet sheds velocity—and crushes a narrower hole—as it penetrates deeper, while losing velocity, so the bullet might be crushing a very small amount of tissue (simulating an "ice pick" injury) during its last two or three inches of travel, giving only between 9.5 and 12 inches of effective wide-area penetration. Also, skin is elastic and tough enough to cause a bullet to be retained in the body, even if the bullet had a relatively high velocity when it hit the skin. About 250 ft/s (76 m/s) velocity is required for an expanded hollow point bullet to puncture skin 50% of the time. So, with that said, the R.I.P. round was developed to both expand up to 6" in diameter and penetrate 14-16".

    Is the R.I.P. projectile able to go through multiple objects and still perform?
    The IWBA's and FBI's penetration guidelines are to ensure that the bullet can reach a vital structure from most angles, while retaining enough velocity to generate a large diameter hole through tissue. An extreme example where penetration would be important is if the bullet first had to enter and then exit an outstretched arm before impacting the torso. A bullet with low penetration might embed itself in the arm whereas a higher penetrating bullet would penetrate the arm then enter the thorax where it would have a chance of hitting a vital organ. In essence , the RIP round does it all. It is a multi faceted, cleverly designed bullet that no other competitor on the planet can duplicate.

    What about Overpenetration?
    Overpenetration is when a bullet passes through its target and out of the other side, potentially going on to damage something or someone else. Over-penetration also denies the bullet its ability to fully "dump" its energy inside the intended target. The RIP round is the most advanced bullet design ever developed. The RIP acts like a FMJ on impact in solid objects. It is capable of going through barriers such as sheet rock, plywood, sheet metal or glass and still performs its original intent. The bullet shreds through solid objects and only then, expands its energy. It is the optimal performer all other designers aspire to be. This is the most adaptable, powerful, dynamic bullet ever created.

    When will your ammo be on the market in volume and do you sell direct?
    As of today, we are shooting for January 17, 2014 for the ammo to hit the market. It will be limited as we can only produce 60,000 bullets per month per machine. We will take orders but our distributors take priority as they have placed to contracts. AmmoZone will be selling our projectiles in limited supply and they will be the company accepting back orders until further notice. Justin at AmmoZone can be reached at justin@ammozone.com.

    Does your projectile split apart and effect objects outside of the target?
    The trocars are designed to stay in the soft tissue of the target. The bullet will enter the target and the trocars will immediately expand into 8 separate wound channels slicing vital organs for quicker incapacitation. The main base of the projectile will continue up to the optimal distance of 16" inside the target.

    Why is your ammunition more expensive than your competitors ?
    A large amount of funding for the R&D went into the projectile. Most self defense rounds are made with lead and copper. They also use press machines and others which makes the bullets less expensive to manufacture. Our bullet is made by CNC Swiss machines from a solid copper rod. Our bullets are the most advanced, intelligently designed bullet ever made. There is always a higher price for quality and we do not take any short cuts. When you do the research and compare our bullets to any other manufacturer out there, you will find that it will be the last round you will ever need.


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    Echoes of DRT ammo and Extreme Shock Tungsten Nytrilium Ninja Death Matrix Bullets.

    Probably junk. Any time something is the 'last round you'll ever need,' you know it's going to be in the 'dustbin of history' within two years. It's super light, clearly sheds about half the projectile weight in the first inch or two, and I doubt the rest of it penetrates well or produces a significant wound cavity past the point where the projectile separates. Also I bet it'll be a gajillion dollars a round.
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    Didn't we already do this?

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    gimmick ammo to sell to people who don't know any better. get a HP round from a respected manufacturer like Hornady, Winchester, Federal etc that feeds in your gun and you'll be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3rdegree View Post
    Didn't we already do this?
    this will be round #4 I believe....

    Anyone heard of "RIP" ammunition?

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    That is called "advertising" It is used to sell people crap they don't need to impress people they don't like.
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    Does that mean that Zombie-labeled ammo won't actually effectively stop...zombies?!? Where's the Federal Trade Commission, call the Better Business Bureau, we've got a bonafied disaster brewing here.
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    This might stop Zombies temporarily, while they lay there laughing hysterically at this ammo you can just sneak away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3rdegree View Post
    Didn't we already do this?
    Yes

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    Whether it proves effective or not, I'm glad there are companies innovating and trying new stuff. I've created a few products and they must usually go thru some evolution from market feedback to get fine tuned. Plus initial production IS expensive w/out economies of scale. That comes in time if the product finds a foothold in the marketplace by providing value.
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    I like my bullets to stay in one piece, thanks...
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