Thoughts about 9mm
This is a discussion on Thoughts about 9mm within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I ordered a new Glock 19 for my first step into the darkside. It will be in tomorrow! I have been carring mostly my Kimber ...
January 9th, 2007 10:09 AM
January 9th, 2007 10:14 AM
I believe this may be one of those most often asked questions, and rightly so. We all want the best performance we can get.
One of my Gunsite instructors was a consultant to an ammo manufacturer and they did extensive research and testing on their and their competitors ammo.
He gave a mini-lecture on what they found. The short version is, he said that he wouldn't spend an extra dime for one manufacturer over another. He was referring to the major ammo manufacturers and JHP ammo.
Having said that, and although I'm not carrying it right now, I'm rather impressed with the Corbon PowerBall ammo - it just seems like the right concept and it seems to have performance equal to any other premium ammo.
January 9th, 2007 10:28 AM
I like 115 grain ammo in my 9mm. Not sure on the penetration issues, but with a halfway decent JHP, that shouldn't be an issue. Personally, I carry Corbon 115 DXP in my Beretta 9000.
As far as proof? I'll let you know the next time I shoot someone.
January 9th, 2007 10:30 AM
I kinda like that DPX too; wow, it's expensive though.
January 9th, 2007 10:38 AM
Thoughts. IMO, it comes down to: what works 100% reliably in your specific gun; what ballistic characteristics are shown to be sufficiently powerful to stop a ~200lb animal; and what combination of characteristics you're comfortable with. It will vary by gun, operator, conditions you need to surmount to get the job done (ie, cover clothing on the BG, temp/dirt, recoil mgmt, concealability, and so on).
I'm of the opinion that 9mm 124gr is a good match. 115gr goes faster, which aids expansion, but then the lower weight also limits energy dump on the target. And, except for a couple rounds, 147gr hasn't too good of a track record. If 147gr could deliver 500 ft-lbs, I'd probably opt for that, were it to feed 100% reliably in my gun.
For me: A CZ P01 9mm with either Federal Hydrashok Tactical 124gr +P+ or DoubleTap 124gr +P. It's about as large as I can conceivably carry while affording exceptional handling for me during shooting. It has more than 7rds, which is comforting. It's big enough to get the job done, I think, yet trim enough to carry every day. These two specific bullets, as well, feed flawlessly well in this gun. YMMV, of course.
January 9th, 2007 10:50 AM
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All down primarily to what the gun likes - and likes 100%.
Beyond that I do not see major differences if we consider the accepted/expected combat distances. I happen to have settled on 124 GD's - but doubt I'd be much fussed if they were 115's.
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January 9th, 2007 10:55 AM
Yea, you'll notice I didn't say anything about 147! I know that these are probably not the best choice. I agree that all major manufacturers ammo is probably pretty close, it all comes down to what functions the best in MY gun. My real question was that of weight and any insight into what Glocks like. I know my Beretta 92 likes the 124 because it was designed for that, POI and all. I was laeaning towards 124 for the G19 and wanted to hear if anyone had good luck with the 115.
January 9th, 2007 11:01 AM
I think the the 147 gn got off to a bad start because of bad bullet design or something. Now, again, I think, the problems with the 147 gn has been corrected and it is a solid performer.
Seems like somewhere there were some demos where 147 grain bullets performed impressively.
January 9th, 2007 11:09 AM
If it's any indication of my feelings towards 115gr 9mm rounds you just need to be aware that I also carry a Sig P232 in .380 and am confident with that.
January 9th, 2007 11:43 AM
Just pick a round your 19 likes . Most likely it will feed about anything since most glocks do , so select on what shoots the best ( accuracy and recoil recovery being the only factors left ). IMHO the differences in terminal ballistics between modern hp rounds wont amount to a hill of beans .
For myself i stoke my pm9 with corbon +p and my p9 and hp normaly get hydroshock standard loadings since i am more likely to " plink " with them while carrying and the federal is cheaper .
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January 9th, 2007 02:55 PM
I agree with the rest. Pick one your gun likes best. I just got myself a 9mm as well and I did a few tests. I picked the ammo and weight i felt the best about. It turned out to be 124gr standard pressure TAP ammo.
hope all goes well for you.
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January 9th, 2007 03:37 PM
It looks like the Combat Carry wise men already showed up to the party. I'll just repeat what they already said just to remind you of whats important.
Find bullets the reliably spit out every time. Have trust that what ammo available is more than lethal enough to get the job done.
And the most important thing to remember? Shot placement! :-)
January 9th, 2007 04:50 PM
I think I like the .40 better...
January 10th, 2007 12:46 AM
As already stated, shot placement (regardless of caliber) and functional reliability are top priority.
Having said that, my 9 mm Glocks are loaded with Winchester RA9TA 127 gr +P+. I would feel equally well armed with Cor-Bon DPX or their 115 gr JHP round, or Gold Dots in 124 GR.
January 10th, 2007 03:00 AM
124 grain Expanding Full Metal Jacket ammo by Federal. It is the best ammo out there for my money.
Next would be the 124 grain Remington Golden Saber in a tie with the 124 grain Hydrashock.
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