High Terminal Performance .38 specials

High Terminal Performance .38 specials

This is a discussion on High Terminal Performance .38 specials within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Just ordered some High Terminal Performance 125gr .38 +p JHP for my model 36 1963 built, would of rather had some 158gr, so we shall ...

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    High Terminal Performance .38 specials

    Just ordered some High Terminal Performance 125gr .38 +p JHP for my model 36 1963 built, would of rather had some 158gr, so we shall see how that goes, if i dont likem then i guess i'll give them to my brother to shoot in his .357 magnum.
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    I thought they were all HTP if placement is correct.
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    The Remington HTP loads the EXACT SAME THING as the previous "Express" loadings from years past, be it a traditional cup & core SJHP, SJSP, or LSWC-HP. The loads were often duplicated in UMC budget lines, like the .38 Special 125 gr SJHP +P referenced here. Remington has NOT redesigned all of their bullets, they just decided to call them something new for enhanced marketing.
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    High Terminal Performance .38 specials
    Aren't these the rounds formerly known as Golden Sabers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Red View Post
    Aren't these the rounds formerly known as Golden Sabers?
    No. The Golden Sabers are now known as Ultimate Defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WebleyHunter View Post
    No. The Golden Sabers are now known as Ultimate Defense.
    Are they still exactly the same?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeftofMars View Post
    Are they still exactly the same?
    They come in a pretty new box, that's about it.
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    Why didn't you go with these, Bruce?

    https://www.buffalobore.com/index.ph...t_detail&p=108
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    Quote Originally Posted by rdunawaytx View Post
    Why didn't you go with these, Bruce?

    https://www.buffalobore.com/index.ph...t_detail&p=108
    Paid 19.97 for a box of 50 rounds to try the +p's out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Red View Post
    Aren't these the rounds formerly known as Golden Sabers?
    No. The Golden Sabers are now known as Ultimate Defense.
    I knew that GS was now being marketed as "Ultimate Defense," but I'm curious to know if the new UD "Compact Handgun" line is just more of Remington's gimmickry or is there REALLY a difference. Anyone try these in .38 yet?

    BTW those Buffalo Bore FBIs mentioned above are AWESOME! They're more akin to a .357 round! The recoil is brutal and follow ups are a little more of a challenge though. As long as you make the first shot count, they'd certainly be a man-stopper.

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    When I was a .38 Special user, it was Buffalo Bore for anything above "normal" power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnHancock View Post
    I knew that GS was now being marketed as "Ultimate Defense," but I'm curious to know if the new UD "Compact Handgun" line is just more of Remington's gimmickry or is there REALLY a difference. Anyone try these in .38 yet?
    Ultimate Defense and Ultimate Defense Compact Handgun didn't test so well in 45 Auto. I don't feel compelled to test the other calibers after seeing these results.

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    Renamed and 20/box vs. 25/box. Wow!
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    I received my order today and went out and shot 5 of them and they do have just a little bit more kick but not enough to be concerned about, still very manageable.

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