.38 SPL 110gr(+P) or 158gr LRN

.38 SPL 110gr(+P) or 158gr LRN

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    .38 SPL 110gr(+P) or 158gr LRN

    Lately the local stores have had nothing in the way of revolver ammo. However the other day while browsing the ammo shelves at Gander Mountain I noticed they had Remington .38 Special in stock but only 110gr JHP (+P) and 158gr LRN loadings. We all know that niether are a top choice in defensive ammo today, but if you were limited to only these two types of ammo which would you choose and why?


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    Dang it posted in the wrong forum, would a moderator please move this to the ammo forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 336A View Post
    Lately the local stores have had nothing in the way of revolver ammo. However the other day while browsing the ammo shelves at Gander Mountain I noticed they had Remington .38 Special in stock but only 110gr JHP (+P) and 158gr LRN loadings. We all know that niether are a top choice in defensive ammo today, but if you were limited to only these two types of ammo which would you choose and why?
    Hornady Critical Defense has 110 gr .38 Special + P, but in their designed FTX which is hollow point.
    I would not want to be hit with one of them sweet potatoes for sure
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    Quote Originally Posted by 336A View Post
    Lately the local stores have had nothing in the way of revolver ammo. However the other day while browsing the ammo shelves at Gander Mountain I noticed they had Remington .38 Special in stock but only 110gr JHP (+P) and 158gr LRN loadings. We all know that niether are a top choice in defensive ammo today, but if you were limited to only these two types of ammo which would you choose and why?
    IMHO, any ammo on the shelf is acceptable, just buy it up like everyone else, then use the lighter rounds for TP (although the +p is ok for DC) and the hotter rounds for EDC or even Tactical (real scenario/ obstacle course) type TP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 336A View Post
    Dang it posted in the wrong forum, would a moderator please move this to the ammo forum.
    Done.
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    Buy the solids and drill a HP cavity in them.

    When I was a kid, I would take a razor blade and x my lead bullets to get better killing power out of them for use on wild dogs.
    Worked better than anything we had before the Stinger, Expeditor, or Yellow Jackets.

    Same can be done with a centerfire. And the lead bullets are cheaper!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 336A View Post
    Lately the local stores have had nothing in the way of revolver ammo. However the other day while browsing the ammo shelves at Gander Mountain I noticed they had Remington .38 Special in stock but only 110gr JHP (+P) and 158gr LRN loadings. We all know that niether are a top choice in defensive ammo today, but if you were limited to only these two types of ammo which would you choose and why?
    Although 158 grain LRN "the widow maker" is close to the bottom of the barrel in terms of tissue crushing volume (semi-wadcutter being even less effective in volume of tissue crushed), it is probably easier and perhaps more accurate to shoot than the light +P round -- which probably will not perform as well as some of the heavier JHPs +P in .38 special. Nevertheless, the Rem. semi-jacketed 110 grain JHP +P seems like a somewhat better choice, unless in your revolver you can shoot the LRN more accurately.

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    There is a reason hollow points were developed and mass produced as soon as production capabilities reached that point. The LRN is ok for range ammo, but not SD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Bob View Post
    There is a reason hollow points were developed and mass produced as soon as production capabilities reached that point. The LRN is ok for range ammo, but not SD.
    Yes, there is a good reason: to make small bullets act and thus perform like big bullets. LRN, SWC, etc. are indeed quite decent for target practice.

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    I'm gonna leave the lightweight bullets for insignificant cartridges like the .380 and would choose the 158 grain lead round nose for stoking up the .38 Special if limited to the two. There are some red hot +P 110 grain JHPs out there that I've not tested but none tried over chronograph screens amounted to much except for the old Super-Vel load and it was an expansion let-down despite it's blistering velocity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
    I'm gonna leave the lightweight bullets for insignificant cartridges like the .380 and would choose the 158 grain lead round nose for stoking up the .38 Special if limited to the two. There are some red hot +P 110 grain JHPs out there that I've not tested but none tried over chronograph screens amounted to much except for the old Super-Vel load and it was an expansion let-down despite it's blistering velocity.
    Trivial, of no consequence, ie. insignificant -- your description of something that has killed many people and is capable of doing so again and again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by M3 View Post
    Although 158 grain LRN "the widow maker" is close to the bottom of the barrel in terms of tissue crushing volume (semi-wadcutter being even less effective in volume of tissue crushed), it is probably easier and perhaps more accurate to shoot than the light +P round -- which probably will not perform as well as some of the heavier JHPs +P in .38 special. Nevertheless, the Rem. semi-jacketed 110 grain JHP +P seems like a somewhat better choice, unless in your revolver you can shoot the LRN more accurately.

    I'd take the 158gr RN over the 110gr SJHP any day ; )
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    Quote Originally Posted by M3 View Post
    ... something that has killed many people and is capable of doing so again and again?
    Yup- just like the .38 Special 158 gr LRN and LSWC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WebleyHunter View Post
    Yup- just like the .38 Special 158 gr LRN and LSWC.
    indeed. Hardly insignificant EITHER.

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    When comparing bullet weight and energy figures, the 380 is insignificant compared to the 38spl as loaded by factory.
    Roll your own and the 38spl flat out walks on the 380.

    Another great load for the 38 spl would be the old 38/200 load. It becomes unstable from a short barrel and tumbles, which has got to hurt...ouch!
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