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    I believe the Makarov is ballistically midway between a .380 & a standard pressure 9mm.
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    I was always lead to believe that Ball ammo was issued to the Militaries of the World due to the Geneva Convention and rules of engagement. Ball ammo reduced the hydrostatic shock effect and therefore was more effective on disabling the Enemy rather than killing him. I was lead to believe that an Enemy that was disabled, took more troops to take care of him ( medics, litter bearers etc) than just leave the remains and move on in the battle. Thus, the reason why troops were shot with multiple rounds and kept on fighting.
    I have carried and used ball and hollowpoints in many ways. Every other round a Ball or hollowpoint, and then just either or in a full mag. There is plenty of good stuff out there, but you need to practice with different brands and stick with the most reliyable round that suits your weapon's taste. Just my 2 cents worth

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLASS3NH
    I was always lead to believe that Ball ammo was issued to the Militaries of the World due to the Geneva Convention and rules of engagement. Ball ammo reduced the hydrostatic shock effect and therefore was more effective on disabling the Enemy rather than killing him. I was lead to believe that an Enemy that was disabled, took more troops to take care of him ( medics, litter bearers etc) than just leave the remains and move on in the battle. Thus, the reason why troops were shot with multiple rounds and kept on fighting.
    That's what I heard as well. You want to wound the enemy enough to take him out of the fight and the ones tending to him, as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CLASS3NH
    I was always lead to believe that Ball ammo was issued to the Militaries of the World due to the Geneva Convention and rules of engagement......:
    Your dead on....Rule # 2

    The Rules of War
    The first modern international rules of war, known as the Geneva Convention, or Treaty, were made in Geneva, Switzerland, in 1864. This treaty was accepted by all the European countries, by the U.S., and by some countries in Asia and South America. New rules are added as they are needed.

    Rule 1: Warring nations cannot use chemical weapons against each other.
    Rule 2: The use of expanding bullets or materials calculated to cause unnecessary suffering is prohibited.
    Rule 3: The discharge of projectiles (such as bullets or rockets) from balloons is prohibited.
    Rule 4: Prisoners of war must be humanely treated and protected from violence. Prisoners cannot be beaten or used for propaganda purposes (to try to change the way people think about something).
    Rule 5: Prisoners of war must give their true name and rank or they will lose their prisoner of war protection.
    Rule 6: Nations must follow procedures to identify the dead and wounded and to send information to their families.
    Rule 7: Killing anyone who has surrendered is prohibited.
    Rule 8: Zones must be set up in fighting areas to which the sick and injured can be taken for treatment.
    Rule 9: Special protection from attack is granted to civilian hospitals marked with the Red Cross symbol.
    Rule 10: The free passage of medical supplies is allowed.
    Rule 11: Shipwrecked members of the armed forces at sea should be taken ashore to safety.
    Rule 12: Any army that takes control of another country must provide food to the people in that country.
    Rule 13: Attacks on civilians and undefended towns are prohibited.
    Rule 14: Enemy submarines cannot sink merchant or business ships before passengers and crews have been saved.
    Rule 15: A prisoner can be visited by a representative from his or her country. Prisoners have the right to talk privately without observers.

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