Grit & Crud around primers: Winchester 127 +P+ 9mm Ranger?

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    Grit & Crud around primers: Winchester 127 +P+ 9mm Ranger?

    Hey, I was wondering if anyone else has seen this:

    I recently got some RA9TA Winchester 127 +P+ Ranger 9mm ammo. It shoots great.

    I notice that around the brass primer of every single round (I bought 2 boxes of 50) there is a bunch of grit&crud of some type. It looks like sand.

    It doesn't seem to effect performance but what is this debris & why is it there? Has anyone else seen this?

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    Here is a pic:


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    Never remember seeing that much crud - usually just odd specks.

    I'd be interested to pick some out with small pin carefully - and analyze it under magnification - try and work out what it might be.
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    I'd like to do that as well but do not have access to a microscope, etc.

    It seems like an awful lot of junk for quality factory ammo. I've never seen that with Gold Dot or federal, for example.

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    BTW - I quite forget to say welcome!

    I was not thinking microscope so much as a simple ''lupe'' (jeweller's thingy) - or a head-band magnifier. See if particles crush - that would establish if ''grit'' - otherwise maybe fine styrene particulates from packaging?
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    Well, thank you for the welcome. That is very kind of you.

    Let me take a look after dinner & see if I can find a magnifying glass. I did try to remove some of these particulates with a pin and was not successful. They seem to be really mated with the primers during manufacture.

    I will update later.

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    Almost looks like polishing media to me. Just my thought.

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    I think polishing medium may, in fact, be the correct call. It is odd, because some of the pieces look almost like they are just "sitting there," but I cannot get them to budge at all. They are really sealed in between the primer and cup.

    In any event, it seems kind of messy quality control. Does anyone have any of this ammo to compare? I want to get some again as it works really well in my HK but it's just a little off-putting.

    I'm one of those silly "I like my ammo clean & shiny" people!

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    Sure looks like tumbling media stuck to the primer sealant.

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    I just checked a box in my closet and it has the same stuff! I hadn't really looked that closely at it until now. Mine is lot #24XL72. I wonder if they all come off the line like this or if they had a minor production issue one day.

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    I found this same crud on a box of Remington Golden Saber .45acp. The ammo worked fine but the crud ended up in my gun. I wouldn't say it was a problem, just an annoyance...

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    I wonder what Winchester would say about it? I'll give them a call this week. Anyone have a customer service number on them?

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    I have a box of .40 ranger SXT and they look very similar.

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    I would guess that if it's so common, it must not be any kind of real reliability issue.

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    I spoke to Olin / Winchester at 800 356 2666 and they wanted me to ship them the ammo to look at. I told them that was a little more effort than my interest merited. A picture wasn't possible for them to consider, for whatever reason.

    It may be that the woman I spoke with just didn't want to deal with it.

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