HPR Black Ops 40 S&W 105 gr.

HPR Black Ops 40 S&W 105 gr.

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    HPR Black Ops 40 S&W 105 gr.



    Anybody tried these? Gun I'll be testing them in is a Beretta PX4 Storm full size.

    I'm a little leary, tried the 60 gr Liberty Civil Defense and had a FTE issue after the 6th round fired of rapid firing.


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    60 gran in a .40S&W? That seems like its a tad light to me for that caliber. I try to stick to standard bullet weights. 155 gr. and 180 gr. for the .40 cartridge.
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    Yep, 60 grain nickel plated copper hollow point. Lol.

    That's what I thought too. As you can see on the box, they're fast little boogers at 2000 FPS.


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    I guess this is my last resort on ultralight ammo with these 105 grain HPR black ops rounds. I could of just had a squib round when I shot the Liberty's but, I haven't had a single issue with all the other ammo I've shot and that's been Hornady, Winchester and Federal.


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    I carry a .40 because I can use 180gr. I always go with the heavier bullet design for that specific caliber.
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    Quote Originally Posted by casurvivor View Post
    I carry a .40 because I can use 180gr. I always go with the heavier bullet design for that specific caliber.
    Why's that? Right now my carry ammo is the 165 grain Critical Defense by Hornaday. I figure that's a good median between knockdown power when it gets there and how fast it gets there for a non frangible bullet.

    I liked my gun being a lot lighter too with 18 of them in there.


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    I know a guy that ankle carries a G27 with the Liberty ammo for the weight savings. If you're already carrying a full size pistol, I don't think weight is an issue with the right gear, unless you have a health issue that would restrict things. For me at least, a 92FS with 16rds of 147gr on board is no harder to carry than my P239 with 8 rds of 125gr 357Sig.

    Unless I absolutely needed the weight savings, or wall penetration was a concern, I'd stick with conventional bullet weights.
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    HPR Black Ops 40 S&W 105 gr.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ianthin View Post
    I know a guy that ankle carries a G27 with the Liberty ammo for the weight savings. If you're already carrying a full size pistol, I don't think weight is an issue with the right gear, unless you have a health issue that would restrict things.
    Well, I haven't carried my Beretta directly on me for a full day yet because I haven't had a conceal carry holster yet and I refuse to carry it openly so, I've yet to find out whether lighter ammo will make much of s difference or not. But I will say though, 18 rounds of 60 grain Liberty's was significantly lighter than the regular ole 180 grain hollowpoint Hornadys. I never weighed it for exact number of weight loss but, it was quite a bit lighter. I figgered it up where three of the Libertys weighed the same as one 180 grainer.
    For me at least, a 92FS with 16rds of 147gr on board is no harder to carry than my P239 with 8 rds of 125gr 357Sig.
    That's good to hear.
    Unless I absolutely needed the weight savings, or wall penetration was a concern, I'd stick with conventional bullet weights.
    See, that's my primary fear, especially with a 40, is over penetration. I dunno, I'm probably gonna have this concern with whatever i shoot.



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    Just get a Glock 23 and save 4 ounces. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by corneileous View Post
    Why's that? Right now my carry ammo is the 165 grain Critical Defense by Hornaday. I figure that's a good median between knockdown power when it gets there and how fast it gets there for a non frangible bullet.

    I liked my gun being a lot lighter too with 18 of them in there.


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    I am suspicious of any product that is advertised as "black ops"...and I am curious as to exactly why 40 caliber defensive ammunition is tied in to "black ops". If it is marketed with a gimmick, how much of it's design is actually a gimmick?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades View Post
    Just get a Glock 23 and save 4 ounces. :)
    Why a full size handgun if weight is a concern?
    I don't do guns that don't have an external safety and strictly rely on a trigger safety.

    Because when I bought this gun I didn't have intentions of conceal carrying at all. Lol.

    Besides, weight really isn't that much of a concern but, I these rounds fire good and don't cause issues, I would like to cut down a little bit on weight if I can.


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    Quote Originally Posted by con42 View Post
    Worried about them ducking.............
    Lol!!!


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    I thought the full size PX4 in .40 only held 14 rounds per mag? I know the 9mm version is 17+1, unless you are using a base plate that gives you added capacity. Or a Mec-Gar mag.

    I carry a SIG P229 loaded with 165 gr. Rangers at the moment, and don't have an issue with the weight. What kind of belt are you using? A good gun belt makes a world of difference.

    I think my next ammo purchase is going to be some Underwood 180 gr. Gold Dots.

    Have you looked into Barnes ammo or a manufacture that uses the Barnes solid copper bullet? I think they come in 125 and 140 grain bullets. Just another option to think about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corneileous View Post
    Why's that? Right now my carry ammo is the 165 grain Critical Defense by Hornaday. I figure that's a good median between knockdown power when it gets there and how fast it gets there for a non frangible bullet.

    I liked my gun being a lot lighter too with 18 of them in there.
    Knockdown power... in handgun calibers... umm.... OK.

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