I wanted to know whats your Primary CCW Caliber, not what is carried on duty but what you personally carry. Thanks
Yup, same thing I carry. Nothing but.... :22a:QKShooter said:ColdForeDEEfiveCowLobErr...I think that's how you spell it? :wink:
IMHO the 357 Sig is a good round, but it is very expensive and it is waaaaaay too L-O-U-D! Even a 45 will produce a loud boom, but not hurt your ears in that special way that a 357 sig can...even thru earmuffs! Imagine firing such a pice in the close confines of a vehicle. You might....just MIGHT wind up deaf...permanently. That's why I think the 357sig hasn't caught fire and if it hasn't by now it probably won't. Now let's look at the 45 GAP. Is that an answer to an unasked question? Maybe. Have to see.Tangle said:9mm for me, but I was kinda surprised by the low per cent for the .357 Sig. The "buzz" about its stopping power, improved shootablility, flat trajectory, and accuracty kinda makes one think it's more popular than that.
As the only person, here, who actually shoots it (or is willing to admit to it, anyway), I have to disagree on a couple of points.ExSoldier762 said:IMHO the 357 Sig is a good round, but it is very expensive and it is waaaaaay too L-O-U-D! Even a 45 will produce a loud boom, but not hurt your ears in that special way that a 357 sig can...even thru earmuffs! Imagine firing such a pice in the close confines of a vehicle. You might....just MIGHT wind up deaf...permanently. That's why I think the 357sig hasn't caught fire and if it hasn't by now it probably won't. Now let's look at the 45 GAP. Is that an answer to an unasked question? Maybe. Have to see.
O-M-G. I have to stridently disagree here and so would nearly all of my IDPA club. When we're shooting a course of fire, even with muffs (electronic or standard) everybody JUMPS the first time a member (one of the few to use the 357sig) sends a round downrange! It usually goes like this: "CRACK!!! Criminey what the EFF was THAT? Oh sheeeesh it's JOE with that BLANKETY BLANK SIG!"Tom357 said:As the only person, here, who actually shoots it (or is willing to admit to it, anyway), I have to disagree on a couple of points.
.357 SIG isn't noticeably louder than 9mm +P+ or .40S&W +P defensive loads. It is noticeably louder than a 9mm standard load, and somewhat louder than a .40S&W standard load. Just my opinion.
Strident disagreement noted. (smile) But are you guys shooting +P+ defensive loads or standard pressure FMJ? A .357 SIG standard load is pushing a 125gr FMJ about 100-250fps faster than a +P+ 9mm load. Maybe I'm just used to it, but I maintain that it is about on par with other loads pushing similarly sized bullets out of similarly sized barrels at similar speeds. People take notice when someone at the outdoor range is shooting 9mm Gold Dots or Ranger loads, too.ExSoldier762 said:O-M-G. I have to stridently disagree here and so would nearly all of my IDPA club. When we're shooting a course of fire, even with muffs (electronic or standard) everybody JUMPS the first time a member (one of the few to use the 357sig) sends a round downrange! It usually goes like this: "CRACK!!! Criminey what the EFF was THAT? Oh sheeeesh it's JOE with that BLANKETY BLANK SIG!"
I don't actually know what the Sig guys shoot, but my guess is that unless they're (to use a Gumpism) GO-zillion-aires they're using low powered or reloaded ammo, because +P combat ammo is EXPENSIVE especially for the 357 Sig. But, I dunno. I just know that me and most of the other IDPA shooters in our club can clearly identify when somebody is lighting off a 357 Sig even among SEVEN active stages being run simultaneously! Most of those stages have shooters using either .40 or .45 and STILL the 357 Sig stands out clearly.Tom357 said:Strident disagreement noted. (smile) But are you guys shooting +P+ defensive loads or standard pressure FMJ? A .357 SIG standard load is pushing a 125gr FMJ about 100-250fps faster than a +P+ 9mm load. Maybe I'm just used to it, but I maintain that it is about on par with other loads pushing similarly sized bullets out of similarly sized barrels at similar speeds. People take notice when someone at the outdoor range is shooting 9mm Gold Dots or Ranger loads, too.
Besides carrying my E-9 I also carry a Model 60 S&W loaded with Speer 135 +P GoldDots and carried in an ankle rig. I use this set up when I am doing alot of driving.Euclidean said:I'm just sad I'm all alone with the 38 Special.
I feel inspired to pen a children's story.
"The Little Gold Dots Who Could"
Subtitle:
"Expand out of a Really Short Barrel"
:biggrin:
OK. We're getting somewhere. I have absolutely no doubt that a .357 SIG standard load FMJ is significantly louder than a standard load or low-powered 9mm, or even standard load .40 and .45. What I said was that I thought it was on par with +P+ 9mm and +P .40 and .45. I have noticed that folks who practice with low-powered or standard loads are often startled when they shoot hot defensive loads, because they are much louder, with more flash, and sharper felt recoil. The standard loads in .357 SIG are frequently equivalent to the hot loads in other calibers. If you put my 125gr standard load .357 SIG up against a 124gr +P+ 9mm, my bullet is going to be 100-250fps faster, and the boom might be slightly louder, but only slightly.ExSoldier762 said:I don't actually know what the Sig guys shoot, but my guess is that unless they're (to use a Gumpism) GO-zillion-aires they're using low powered or reloaded ammo, because +P combat ammo is EXPENSIVE especially for the 357 Sig. But, I dunno. I just know that me and most of the other IDPA shooters in our club can clearly identify when somebody is lighting off a 357 Sig even among SEVEN active stages being run simultaneously! Most of those stages have shooters using either .40 or .45 and STILL the 357 Sig stands out clearly.