New Gold Dot Short Barrel Loads

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    Post New Gold Dot Short Barrel Loads

    Thought this might be interesting for others to see.

    http://www.speer-bullets.com/default.asp?s1=3&s2=5

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    I am a big believer in Gold Dots. For a carry revolver I feel it is a must to load Gold Dots if you can get 'em in your caliber of choice.

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    Ooo Ahhh need some for my 38 and 9mm

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    I'll be honest. My buddy and I used SilverTips period. The last few years I started getting into reloading and ballistics and learned what my buddy had learned many years before I smarted up. That was to research and test. I know from my own testing that the newer ammo is alot better than the older style. But I have carried a large bore for too many years and until the last 2 years I went to smaller calibers. I admit it I'm getting older and the smaller calibers are a heck easier to shoot,and 20 years of shooting magnum loads has taken a larger toll on my wrists.
    The Gold Dots do work and I like them, but these newer short barrel loads seem like the ticket for CCW guns.

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    Silver Tips I like too.

    Scary. We are beginning to think too much alike!

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    Very cool - I love my Gold Dots. Thanks for the info, TonySoprano. I'll be bugging my local vendors for some.
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    Saw about these recently - and I am a GD user - in R9 with std pressure and +P in SIG. Does seem tho so far - no std pressure options - which could be a pity as R9 is definitely std pressure only.
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    Gold Dots

    GOLD DOT is my "carry ammo of choice" for both my pistols and spin~guns.
    Very popular brand of ammo in and around PGH.

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    gel testing is showing the the GD short barrel load still isn't reliably expanding out of 38 snubbies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsoda22
    gel testing is showing the the GD short barrel load still isn't reliably expanding out of 38 snubbies.
    Interesting. Where are you getting that? Is there info on how they are performing in other calibers and in comparison to regular Gold Dots?
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    looks like I found my next replacement ammo for the Taurus, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom357
    Interesting. Where are you getting that? Is there info on how they are performing in other calibers and in comparison to regular Gold Dots?
    There was a lot on ammolab about it before the sight went members only.

    9mm out of compact gun never had any problems opening up. Consider that an automatic that's a similar size to a snubbie will generally have 3+" of barrel versus less than 2".

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    Here are some recent tests by ballistics expert Doc Roberts.


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    Out of a 2” J-frame:

    .38 Sp Safestop 148 gr plated WC, standard pressure, ave vel=744f/s
    BG: pen=20”+, RD=0.36”, RW=148.1gr
    Denim: pen=19.0”, RD=0.37”, RW=149.1gr
    auto windshield: pen=14.2”, RD=0.44”, RW=140.9gr

    .38 Sp Speer 135 gr +P JHP Gold Dot (53921), ave vel=856f/s
    BG: pen=13.1”, RD=0.56”, RW=134.5gr
    4 layer denim: pen=13.6”, RD=0.53”, RW=134.1gr
    auto windshield: pen=9.4”, RD=0.51”, RW=129.6gr

    These two .38 sp loads tested were specifically crafted for 2” BUG revolvers; they offer the best terminal performance of any loads we have ever seen fired from a J-frame and can both be strongly recommended for BUG use. The Safestop WC is milder shooting and offers better barrier performance; the Gold Dot JHP offers the most reliable expansion we have seen from a 2”, but recoils more and does not handle intermediate barriers as well. Pick the one you prefer…

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    Last edited by FLM; May 5th, 2005 at 02:00 PM.

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    ah, excellent. Seems they have upgraded from their initial runs. I trust roberts work.

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    Ammolab is going to retest some of the current production 135gr +P Gold Dot stuff shortly. It should confirm Roberts results. As I expected, it appears that Speer has redesigned the round to get a bit better penetration when compared with the orignal samples.

    The SafeStop ammo is very nice as well. That is what I'm carrying in my M642 at the moment.

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